Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.11

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Radja [2]:

Not_Mafia, Horsewoman

Lostego [2]:

Ahsoka, Gimli son of Glóin

Horsewoman [1]:

Lostego

Ahsoka [1]:

Radja

clidd [1]:

Raya36

Gimli son of Glóin [1]:

DkKoba

Not Voting [1]:

clidd

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[DkKoba]

dam i let him have it........

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I don't care about addressing any of your points. feel free to vote and case me all you want.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

if someone who is town or minimally nice wants your questions answered they can ask me and I'll do that.

[DkKoba]

I don't care about addressing any of your points. feel free to vote and case me all you want.

cause youre caught scum and you know i caught you <3

if you're town you should have 0 trouble explaining your thought processes or reasons but you're not sooooooo <3

[DkKoba]

if someone who is town or minimally nice wants your questions answered they can ask me and I'll do that.

scummy!

[DkKoba]

facts (your role pm) dont care about your feelings (your AtE)

[DkKoba]

guarantee horsewoman and gimli were just venting about how much they hate me in scum PT <3 its ok the feelings are obviously bleeding over to main thread

[clidd]

Spoiler:

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I imagine that scum!he would look at the elimination pool and think "man, I need to vote for someone I mentioned in the pool that I want to eliminate" or "I'm going to add Ahsoka to my elimination pool so people won't question the consistency of my vote. ''

Or even ''well, I don't think it'll be good to say that I want to eliminate x and vote on b''.

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

I mean more in the sense that this would be a line that I think Scum!Radja would try to avoid.

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

this and the fact that 2 people I'm townreading were voting there at the time.

clidd seems to be the first one picking up on me voting outside of my execution pool. More town points for you.

The quality of my read on you depends on whether you are more dissonant as town or scum. I'm currently considering town, because as scum you would review your reads before posting and reflect on how other people would see your content.

I'm hoping to be right about that, but I don't think it would hurt me to find out that I'm wrong. Let's see

Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

Hmm, let me read back on that a bit to provide some examples. I guess it was mostly a gut thing?
I try to be as transparent as possible and pretty much post whatever comes to mind as I catch up.

- saying DkKoba's "townslip" could be fabricated.
- I liked her push on you(clidd) because it doesn't seem like an easy path to me. To top that off, despite being unsure about you, Raya didn't back down to join an easy wagon when she could have easily done that.
- understanding what I was trying to do when I voted Ahsoka: sorting a null slot that my townreads were voting.

Some of those things happened after my reads list, so there's my read progression for you, in case you were interested.

I also found towny the way she approached my slot.

It reflected as genuine in the sense that she had reasons that, when I was trying to put myself in her place, made sense from a perspective of "I want to try to know your alignment", which is something that I also assimilated a little to the impression I had of Gimli. I don't think the fact that I was her scumpartner in our past game has any influence on that, because at no time did she create a parallel between the two games to justify the push in isolation (which is another positive thing imo).

Changing the subject, the fact of you voting someone null and not exactly someone in your execution pool is probably the point that I am most sympathizing with my tl on you. It seemed very genuine in the sense that you did not feel obliged to necessarily explain why you were not voting for the execution pool, as it was something that was already on your mind, and as I also unconsciously omit details sometimes that are part of the process of how I get to some conclusions (mostly as town), I believe that we have something in common (which is giving more emotional substance to my read on you).

You don't need to detail or make a wallpost, but I would be grateful if I could see what has changed in your reads after the last events.

I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him.

I don't know if it was possible to absorb this in my explanation, but the scenario of scum wanting to miselim him was something that came to my mind primarily. The buss scenario, which came as a secondary, was an alternative interpretation that I considered as more improbable by comparison, but not impossible.

These are the things of my read on Radja ^

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Spoiler:

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I imagine that scum!he would look at the elimination pool and think "man, I need to vote for someone I mentioned in the pool that I want to eliminate" or "I'm going to add Ahsoka to my elimination pool so people won't question the consistency of my vote. ''

Or even ''well, I don't think it'll be good to say that I want to eliminate x and vote on b''.

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

I mean more in the sense that this would be a line that I think Scum!Radja would try to avoid.

Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

this and the fact that 2 people I'm townreading were voting there at the time.

clidd seems to be the first one picking up on me voting outside of my execution pool. More town points for you.

The quality of my read on you depends on whether you are more dissonant as town or scum. I'm currently considering town, because as scum you would review your reads before posting and reflect on how other people would see your content.

I'm hoping to be right about that, but I don't think it would hurt me to find out that I'm wrong. Let's see

Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

Hmm, let me read back on that a bit to provide some examples. I guess it was mostly a gut thing?
I try to be as transparent as possible and pretty much post whatever comes to mind as I catch up.

- saying DkKoba's "townslip" could be fabricated.
- I liked her push on you(clidd) because it doesn't seem like an easy path to me. To top that off, despite being unsure about you, Raya didn't back down to join an easy wagon when she could have easily done that.
- understanding what I was trying to do when I voted Ahsoka: sorting a null slot that my townreads were voting.

Some of those things happened after my reads list, so there's my read progression for you, in case you were interested.

I also found towny the way she approached my slot.

It reflected as genuine in the sense that she had reasons that, when I was trying to put myself in her place, made sense from a perspective of "I want to try to know your alignment", which is something that I also assimilated a little to the impression I had of Gimli. I don't think the fact that I was her scumpartner in our past game has any influence on that, because at no time did she create a parallel between the two games to justify the push in isolation (which is another positive thing imo).

Changing the subject, the fact of you voting someone null and not exactly someone in your execution pool is probably the point that I am most sympathizing with my tl on you. It seemed very genuine in the sense that you did not feel obliged to necessarily explain why you were not voting for the execution pool, as it was something that was already on your mind, and as I also unconsciously omit details sometimes that are part of the process of how I get to some conclusions (mostly as town), I believe that we have something in common (which is giving more emotional substance to my read on you).

You don't need to detail or make a wallpost, but I would be grateful if I could see what has changed in your reads after the last events.

I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him.

I don't know if it was possible to absorb this in my explanation, but the scenario of scum wanting to miselim him was something that came to my mind primarily. The buss scenario, which came as a secondary, was an alternative interpretation that I considered as more improbable by comparison, but not impossible.

These are the things of my read on Radja ^

I see. I read all of those posts, my problem is that I can't possibly give this any weight the way you're doing, and then there are things in radja's posting that could also be looked at as scummy, as noted by horsewoman for instance. I think my radja read will keep at null until he has something of an impact in the game. It's not someone I'm willing to flip today, that's going straight to either dkkoba or lostego.

speaking of which, I'm fine with moving to d2 as long as we're eliminating one of these two. my townpool is done and unless radja and NM start doing something different, it's not likely to change anything in this gameday.

[DkKoba]

a real explaination is quick to come for a genuine read. a fake one takes an eternity.

(adapted from a quote about fake role claims, which still rings true)

this is why gimli is scumclaimed right now -> they cannot explain their read progression AT ALL. because: their reads are fake. Because they are scum who got caught with their pants down being asked the right questions at the right time.

[DkKoba]

weird. If I were a third party observing me vs radja, I'd have said that scum!Me would imply town!radja. I'm not going to explain why, but this is exactly the type of shitty illogical stuff you're saying that is why you are scummy LMFAO

[DkKoba]

(im not explaining why because thats on YOU to explain why it isn't so and then I'll explain if so)

[DkKoba]

am I fucking insane for evaluating the game assuming I'm scum? Probably. Is it going to help me solve the game? Fuck yeah it is.

[DkKoba]

and now I know FL isn't your partner because if he was you wouldn't be stuck in this extreme predicament in the first place

now if FL 5D chessed that one, I'll be truly impressed, but we'll see his reaction to this push + if your approach changes within the next 24 hours or so

[clidd]

I don't know if you're losing your mind or making me almost losing my mind with your slot.

Gimli, can you just answer them? I agree that you can answer if you just explain what you were thinking. It doesn't have to be a dissertation, just the main points.

[DkKoba]

am I fucking insane for evaluating the game assuming I'm scum? Probably. Is it going to help me solve the game? Fuck yeah it is.

and wow this like feels like I unlocked a new level in townplay, like evaluating oneself as scum to evaluate the pushes on you better unlocked a new skill or some shit..


also like -> theres something I will claim, in a bit that I think is important to understand what the mindset of koba!scum would be here. Something that does debunk the assumption that I could be within my scumrange here realistically.

heres a helpful picture to demonstrate what I mean:

[DkKoba]

I don't know if you're losing your mind or making me almost losing my mind with your slot.

Gimli, can you just answer them? I agree that you can answer if you just explain what you were thinking. It doesn't have to be a dissertation, just the main points.

I'm definitely losing my mind.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

VOTE: dkkoba

I think it's better to eliminate them now so we don't have to deal with all this horrible spam. before someone says this is policy, they're as much of a scumread of mine as lostego, and they look like they're scum together in many places in the thread, including volxen's wall townreading dkkoba's starting posts and dkkoba defending volxen when no one was sussing him. notice none of the millions of dkkoba's posts are towny. it's just a bunch of badness. this is not only just scum, but very poorly played, and once we established a towncore this scenario is actually quite clear to me.

pedit: I'm not as nice as you are and I'm just ignoring them. I asked them some things very nicely earlier and they said 'silence scum' and treated me like garbage. I don't have to take the high road now and I know exactly what this strategy looks like. they're cluttering the thread to mess with town now. there's no rhyme or reason to anything. trust your gut on this, you know koba is probably scum by now. it's better to flip them than to give them all this attention.

[DkKoba]

I can't say I told you so Clidd.

[DkKoba]

Gimli literally cannot explain why they townread Horsewoman rn.

They're stuck in a fake read they made up and have no explaination for it.


You said you'd answer them if someone else asked you it. Someone did. Your bluff was called. Seeyaaaaaaaaaaaaa later nerd!

[DkKoba]

VOTE: dkkoba

I think it's better to eliminate them now so we don't have to deal with all this horrible spam. before someone says this is policy, they're as much of a scumread of mine as lostego, and they look like they're scum together in many places in the thread, including volxen's wall townreading dkkoba's starting posts and dkkoba defending volxen when no one was sussing him. notice none of the millions of dkkoba's posts are towny. it's just a bunch of badness. this is not only just scum, but very poorly played, and once we established a towncore this scenario is actually quite clear to me.

pedit: I'm not as nice as you are and I'm just ignoring them. I asked them some things very nicely earlier and they said 'silence scum' and treated me like garbage. I don't have to take the high road now and I know exactly what this strategy looks like. they're cluttering the thread to mess with town now. there's no rhyme or reason to anything. trust your gut on this, you know koba is probably scum by now. it's better to flip them than to give them all this attention.

Ask me to explain any of my reads. Cmon.

You have nothing against me.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I won't ask you anything anymore in this game. feel free to whine that people caught you for the wrong reasons postgame.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I can agree on Raya/Ahsoka being on town PoE, but horsewoman is a slot that you should probably revisit, it's not someone I'm very confident about.

I ISO'd her again yesterday and I came out of it with an equally strong impression that she is town. And yes it'd be so much easier if she was actually playing the game but I don't think it's scummy that she isn't. I don't think this game presents a challenge for scum to come and post.

I'm not entirely sure you're not attempting to pocket me here. Have to remain alert to this possibility.

if my solve is right you don't have to worry about me. I just really appreciate the angle you're coming from with lots of things, from your description of dkkoba's early posting to your evaluation on me (including this post which is just very unnecessary if you're scum from my POV cause I know I'm town and you have no reason to shade me). The more you post the townier I think you are.

if you're growing doubts over this, consider if scum!me needs to pocket you or if I pocketed anyone as scum in our last game together. do you think scum!me gives your minimal posting such a hard townread? unless me and all my buddies are floating outside POE, I don't think I could possibly do that. Consider who is pushing you instead and why. I know you're already there but paranoia can take over anyone.

here are some thoughts on why horsewoman is town for anyone that's interested I can expand on those.

[DkKoba]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN....... we got em