Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Gimli son of Glóin]

sorry for the personal attack. I'm off.

[DkKoba]

poe is a lazy excuse

[DkKoba]

if ur really town here reevaluate ur play ty

[Gimli son of Glóin]

POE is me sitting my fucking ass in this every day having to parse out all the combined apathy looking for towniness.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

nah you're just trying to make this look tvt. you're scum.

[DkKoba]

damn almost like WIM in a setup where scum have an advantage should be a huge green flag for you

[DkKoba]

oh fuck off whatever

[DkKoba]

VOTE: clidd

here ill solve the fuckign game for you since you wanna be stubborn

[DkKoba]

ur remidning me of the kid DongEmpire in this game here:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84250

who hardtunneled me despite all logic pointing away from me, and towards the scum I pointed out. just because i wasnt nice to them. (im windowsxp there).

[clidd]

I will be disappointed if this change in mood has been simulated, Dk.

[DkKoba]

I will be disappointed if this change in mood has been simulated, Dk.

read list

now.

[DkKoba]

im off to work now and dont have my phone so wont be posting for at least 4 hours.

[Raya36]

Sorry for the long post, catching up

i faked a townlean on you early on to see how you'd react. now i see that your read on me has progressed based on what the vibe was of my read on you. you avoided me when i was being buddy then when i was starting to express doubt you started to pivot. I notice these things.

This is quite interesting. Would you mind outlining the progression you saw form Clidd here?

i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)

also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu

this is funny. why are you saying this when raja is pushing clidd, and none of them are presenting a scumread on volxen, quite the contrary? who was pushing volxen to make this post sensible?

what do you think of clidd?

silence scum

I'll never understand why scum always wanna take the route of calling me "bad town"
Cool lmao pocket denied.

horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

ur obsession with me towntelling over scumhunting concerns me, esp since im already obvtown!

im obvtown

i have a tinfoil that clidd is a deepwolf. with 3 scum slots to fill he does fit into a 3rd scum player trying to play the "towny" scum role.

I think these are some of the posts that I think are scummy.

It is not quite rational, but something else that I am extracting by tone.

It's been a bit since I've played with Koba but this honestly just feels like how Koba usually posts. I could be wrong here but these posts look like normal NAI Koba posts.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Why Gimli?

Dk is messing with my head in a very similar way to Ahsoka earlier. I hate it when people play with my perception. Maybe that's the thing that Raya and Gimli are feeling about me.

For me it's just that from everything I've seen so far you show the best chances at having a hidden agenda. There's been several times that I or others have pointed out a potential agenda in your posts and I'm having a hard time seeing past that. There were some posts I've liked though like ending the 1v1 with Koba and moving on to someone else.

I can agree on Raya/Ahsoka being on town PoE, but horsewoman is a slot that you should probably revisit, it's not someone I'm very confident about.

Didn't you just vote Ahsoka? But you agree with them being town?

Why not mention the first scenario of a miselim?

Raya, I don't remember if I addressed this directly in my posts, but it was the dominant impression I had in mind. I expressed this indirectly in post 304 when I speculated a scum!hw angle.

Thanks, that helps with trying to understand the thought process there.

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

I fully agree with your sentiment but not this particular case. I think they'd be a little more stealthy about it and this interaction really sticks out, especially with how few posts NM has.

Something I'm suspicious of with Koba is someone (I think Clidd but I can't remember) called them out for not playing their typical aggressive townplay. Koba claimed that's not how they play anymore but then I saw a huge change in attitude from Koba over the next few pages and the more aggressive play came out. Scum trying to appeal? Gimli still seems fine to me in context of the read on Horsewoman. This looks like Koba forcing a tunnel.
I think it's time I move away from Clidd anyway, VOTE: Koba


Stealing this format so I know who I gotta reread:
townpool: Gimli, Horsewoman
don't know: Ahsoka, NM, Lostego, Radja
scumpool: Clidd, Koba

[Not_Mafia]

A horsewoman is called a mare

[Not_Mafia]

im off to work now and dont have my phone so wont be posting for at least 4 hours.

Have you considered using a Wendy's POS system to post?

[Not_Mafia]

Koba gives me scumvibes sometimes but I agree with their reads so meh

[clidd]

Ok, I'm back. Gimli stills town after a reread.

And Dk, I believe that the premise that they suggested about their meta to allow a good part of their posts in this game to be nai and not subject to scumread is plausible, which would make the slot null. But this does not include the fact that using the townhunting method, it is valid for anyone to put the Dk slot placed in the scum zone if other slots have shown more towny features than Dk demonstrated. It seems that Dk is implying that if Gimli's PoE points them out as scum, Gimli must provide reasons for them to be scum, although Dk does not provide reasons to be town, which also suggests that one of Gimli's town reads would have to be wrong. Particularly, I regard Dk's angry expression as true during the discussion with Gimli, but this is something I can imagine occurring regardless of alignment, because scum!Dk can also be uncomfortable if things don't go the way they want. But, I still have doubts if this whole line of hyper aggressive action would bring any benefit to Scum!Dk, because although it creates a hostile atmosphere that repels pushs against them, it is not persuasive for them to win anyone's trust, much less be interpreted as towny. I would probably only close my eyes and cast a vote without opening a channel of communication if I was convinced that the slot is one hundred percent scum, but selfishness, aggression, self-assertion, neglect and stubbornness are very difficult for them to project from a scum mentality, unless they want to be eliminated, which I imagine is inconsistent with Dk's internal desire to stay alive and fight to avoid eliminations in their slot.



In other words, Dk reflects me as anti-town, but not necessarily scum.

[clidd]

Idk if it is "channel of comunication" or "comunication channel" the right one in english. Both make sense to me.

[clidd]

It's been a bit since I've played with Koba but this honestly just feels like how Koba usually posts. I could be wrong here but these posts look like normal NAI Koba posts.

Yes, you are right. I feel that I didn't have a strong reason outside of my personal interpretation to accuse Dk. Those last few pages have been a headache to read in ai terms and I'm trying to distance myself from a bit emotionally so it won't disturb my interpretation of them, otherwise I might get irritated and create bias about the slot.

[clidd]

For me it's just that from everything I've seen so far you show the best chances at having a hidden agenda. There's been several times that I or others have pointed out a potential agenda in your posts and I'm having a hard time seeing past that. There were some posts I've liked though like ending the 1v1 with Koba and moving on to someone else.

I said more in the sense that you have to force your mind to constantly evaluate me, as I think that you're town in good faith. I don't have a hidden agenda, but I understand that if this was something interpreted about me by more than one person, it was probably something wrong that I transmitted unintentionally (and that I hope to be able to correct). At least I transmitted some positive ai particles to you with that earlier interaction with Koba (that I don't think would have a good outcome if extended).

[clidd]

Didn't you just vote Ahsoka? But you agree with them being town?

I don't remember if I got to share my thoughts, but that was a conclusion I had before in post 446, but I just removed the vote later.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

I imagine Ahsoka's thoughts must connect with mine spiritually at some point if she is town.

A possible reason for the approaches she is using here crossed my mind, but I believe it will hinder my read on her more than help if I am speculating about it, so I will let her play her game and see if I get a definite impression.

But without that, if I had to guess rn, I would lean scum on Ahsoka.

I think one of the reasons that is making me confused is that she doesn't seem to be trying to control the flow and take proactive action on the wagons, which is something I imagine scum!Ahsoka would be more vocal about.

She is floating around the edges, commenting on some things but being flexible about the impressions. She may be checking the terrain and playing a slower game (scum) or adopting a slow pace in collecting information and reactions, in order to approach post-flip associations (town). Perhaps a mixture of that.

But as I said, this is her game, her style, and I might understand better if I let her play.

These are the things I was thinking on my read of Ahsoka before the tl ^

[clidd]

I don't think Horsewoman has done anything outstanding that I can associate with town. This is the read that I have the most difficulty accepting. I'm probably missing something, what is it?

[Gimli son of Glóin]

The things I'm most strongly associating with town when it comes to horsewoman have to do with how she is handling my slot and I don't know if I can expand more than I did already. Since you're not on my shoes I think that perception is forever lost in translation from subject to object to subject to object. I feel very strongly that she is town but I agree it's not with a multitude of elements in thread. do you think she is scummy somewhere?

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I said a couple of mean things and I regret participating in this kind of deterioration of the threadstate. It's antitown and my bad for my part on it.