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Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:24 am

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In post 1997, Noraa wrote:My point is that u barely have moments where ur just like "no that's not true"
you normally say "I believe this but I COULD SEE THAT"
its agreeing.
the end result doesn't particularly matter otherwise we'd never catch scum as long as they bus one member.
Are you sure about this?
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In post 488, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Main 3 (Nopoint notmaf Hank) with flavor and you as distraction or potential scum if i'm wrong about one in main 3
I really don’t see this solve so I’m very intrigued by it. You have a completely null slot in Hank, Not_Mafia (who I will grant you could be Scum, very difficult to tell for me this early), and nopoint? Huh.
In post 512, Andresvmb wrote:I should have expected that response.

I’m not seeing it, so I’m trying to get more than justifications based on the self-vote play. Flavor clearly posted reads - anything that raised some flags from that?
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In post 503, Titus wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Titus I might understand the context behind this, but do you have any reasoning you want to share for the vote?
No. I am still in RVS. I haven't read at all and want to get wagons going. Since rationing my meds, my reads have gotten worse too so I am letting others lead.
Claiming to still be treating the game as if it were in RVS when you’re pushing the top wagon closer to execution and there’s this many pages of content seems rather difficult to believe wouldn’t you agree? If you haven’t read, why would you put such a dangerous vote down? I’m struggling to understand the logic here.
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In post 530, Dunnstral wrote:I think we need to stop townreading flavor for mysterious 'he wouldn't play like this' reasons and hold him to a higher standard, that means elimming him when his play is bad/scummy

I don't trust anyone's read on him that has him as town at this point in time
I don’t understand this post at all. Where has anyone uttered a TR of Flavor based on the fact that he wouldn’t “play this way as Scum”? Can you point me to it? Because off the top of my head, I don’t recall anyone really making that argument.

What specifically about his play has been Scummy to you? Outside of him obviously SR’ing you, how do you think his approach is not from a Town POV?
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Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:25 am

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You know what I think? I think you’re so dead set in painting me as Scum that you’re literally willing to say anything that’ll make me look like Scum. Even if it’s easily refutable. So I am going to stop arguing with you, because it’s pointless, and will just let others intervene.
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Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:29 am

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In post 1999, Noraa wrote:
In post 1998, Andresvmb wrote:@unwnd you’ll notice now that Noraa has been forced to change their narrative about how my read of shellyc changed, without directly addressing it. Instead, now it’s a story of how I didn’t have the guts to push shellyc, even when confTown plus was disagreeing with me.

This is a great example of the bad faith I was talking about. If it doesn’t fit one way, it sure fits some other way.
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In post 1975, Noraa wrote:There is no progression. And I have to say Titus dead really does not be shelly scum at all.
In post 1989, Noraa wrote:I mean this describes ur stance pretty well except you didn't have the guts to push so you shaded instead.
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Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:11 pm

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In post 1894, Noraa wrote:Dunn has done literally nothing and I am currently not caught up or planning to. I don't see why I have to accept it?
I don't understand why you keep shading me like this

I've been doing things
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Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:15 pm

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I just tune Noraa out at this point. They're the fade today.
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Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:15 pm

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I've shaded all of this plist at this point. I gain nothing from it as scum but yeah, I'll stop cuz its not helpful at all.
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Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:00 pm

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In post 1773, Andresvmb wrote:@plus I hate to say it but you should not have listened to me once nopoint flipped Scum. I am clearly off this game.

I was looking back in shame - I think unwnd is Town. I’m also not voting {plus, Flavor}.

VOTE: geraintm
my faith in you has been shaken quite hard after nopoint and fuzzy tbh
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Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:01 pm

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In post 2006, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 1773, Andresvmb wrote:@plus I hate to say it but you should not have listened to me once nopoint flipped Scum. I am clearly off this game.

I was looking back in shame - I think unwnd is Town. I’m also not voting {plus, Flavor}.

VOTE: geraintm
my faith in you has been shaken quite hard after nopoint and fuzzy tbh
You’re shading me too hard about Fuzzy, and you failed to catch my updated read. If you had shot amongst the people I actually described as Scum and turned out Town, I would agree with you more.
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Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:03 pm

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In post 1754, Insanoflex wrote:For what it's worth, I should disclose that Johnny neighborized me before he died, their hood was basically inactive, they greeted each other but didn't say much otherwise, nopoint didn't put any reads there so there isn't anything to learn from it.

Do think the unwnd/nopoint interactions day 1 are less likely to be s/s.
actually, can you quote what was said? Is that allowed?
I already think you're town but that would help others sort you.
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Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:05 pm

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In post 1860, geraintm wrote:Checking in. Today is my daughters 8th birthday.
I'm straight up vanilla town.
again.
Post more later
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Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:07 pm

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noraa vs andres looks pretty whiny but I am getting TvS vibes
I think last 2 scum are one in <unwnd, gera> and 1 in <andres, noraa>
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Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:09 pm

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In post 1867, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m essentially looking at the game with 2 of 4 are scum.

Andres, Noraa, Insaneo, Geraint.

Andres-Noraa probably not together.

I’ve generally liked Geraint this game on a soul level, and I want to say it’s Noraa/Insaneo based on the end of the day yesterday.
replace insaneo with uwnd and yeah
I think mafia play dictates they think insaneo is legit bodyguard
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Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:17 pm

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In post 2004, Flavor Leaf wrote:I just tune Noraa out at this point. They're the fade today.
yup yup.
I'm thinking

if Noraa == scum
vig gera
else if noraa == town
vig andres

what do you think partner?
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Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:31 pm

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Plus you couldn't actually think this is scum Noraa could you?
You've played with scum Noraa so many times. She is mellow. She is nice. She is meek. She is agreeable. What do you see here that even faintly resembles my scum game?
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Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:32 pm

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Pfft that is a gross misrepresentation of your Scum game Noraa. All anybody has to do is go read the game I quoted, where you couldn’t get out of a tunnel and were supremely abrasive.
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Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:32 pm

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Btw I agree I should be Vigged if Noraa flips Town if only to force the Town to look closer at what’s happening this game.
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Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:33 pm

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I don’t think you should Vig geraintm plus - if both Insano and Noraa are pushing there, and Noraa flips Scum, why would you trust them enough to shoot there? That doesn’t make sense.
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Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:35 pm

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In post 2014, Andresvmb wrote:Pfft that is a gross misrepresentation of your Scum game Noraa. All anybody has to do is go read the game I quoted, where you couldn’t get out of a tunnel and were supremely abrasive.
Which one was that?
And also I think I, a person that has written every single post I've posted and read every single post know better what my meta is that some random person that briefly skimmed a few pages of one of my scum games.
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Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:36 pm

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In post 1938, Andresvmb wrote:So Insano refuses to re-evaluate or consider any of my points? Noted.
In post 1939, Andresvmb wrote:I can be both apologetic for being wrong, and continue to push for what I think is the correct solve. I’m not “changing my tune”, I’m playing the game.

And I think it’s mighty interesting that you don’t even consider the possibility that the Scum were bussing. Particularly since (i) Dunn, the claimed Cop, and Fuzzy, Confirmed Town, were not voting, and (ii) the only players voting outside of nopoint were geraintm, me, and nopoint. Is your theory that the entire Scum Team was voting outside of nopoint? Well if either geraintm or I are flipped and we flip Town, your theory immediately goes out the window. Are you ready for that?
In post 1940, Andresvmb wrote:I would also point out that no second wagon gained any traction. That is bizarre for a game with a Scum determined on saving a member of their own Team. We did such a poor job of organizing against a nopoint execution that we couldn’t even agree on the Town that should be executed? Does that make sense?
I just feel like your tenor toward me between last night and now changed really dramatically. I'm not inclined to totally rule out the possibility that scum bussed, but my FIRST INSTINCT on any scum flip is not to look for bussers, and interaction-wise, that seemed less likely. The idea that no other wagon could gain traction is a weird one to me, given you can see we had 3-vote wagons on me, nora, and johnny at one point (and that's 2 wagons on town fmpov, minimum). The wagon on nopoint also happened relatively fast, and it's entirely possible you just weren't prepared for it. Yes, if one of you or gera flips town I obviously have to re-evaluate and I plan to look at everyone again today to cover my bases but I'm just saying where my preliminary suspicions lie.

...I GUESS I could see a world where mafia don't want to vote johnny because they know he's in a hood and think they can pocket him, but eh. Still hard to see nopoint and the shelly slot as scum together. I have no idea what her meta was as scum, though.
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In post 1754, Insanoflex wrote:For what it's worth, I should disclose that Johnny neighborized me before he died, their hood was basically inactive, they greeted each other but didn't say much otherwise, nopoint didn't put any reads there so there isn't anything to learn from it.

Do think the unwnd/nopoint interactions day 1 are less likely to be s/s.
actually, can you quote what was said? Is that allowed?
I already think you're town but that would help others sort you.
I can't direct quote, per the rules. I can paraphrase but I've told you pretty much all there was to it anyway, they had less than a full page of posts in the thing.

(me being in the hood shouldn't really clear me, anyway, as people have said)
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Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:36 pm

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You have zero finished games with me and therefore, no right to comment on my meta.
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Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:37 pm

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In post 2015, Andresvmb wrote:Btw I agree I should be Vigged if Noraa flips Town if only to force the Town to look closer at what’s happening this game.
this is very dumb. wtf is this logic?
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Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:37 pm

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In post 2017, Noraa wrote:
In post 2014, Andresvmb wrote:Pfft that is a gross misrepresentation of your Scum game Noraa. All anybody has to do is go read the game I quoted, where you couldn’t get out of a tunnel and were supremely abrasive.
Which one was that?
And also I think I, a person that has written every single post I've posted and read every single post know better what my meta is that some random person that briefly skimmed a few pages of one of my scum games.
“Briefly skimmed”. I love it.

I didn’t briefly skim. I actually read your posts, and compared them to things you’ve done this game. Just look at my ISO.
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Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:38 pm

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In post 2020, Noraa wrote:
In post 2015, Andresvmb wrote:Btw I agree I should be Vigged if Noraa flips Town if only to force the Town to look closer at what’s happening this game.
this is very dumb. wtf is this logic?
Why don’t you ask for the logic before calling it dumb? You’re like a fucking child.
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Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:39 pm

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Town never thinks that they are fine with dying if their top SR flips town. That is not a townie mindset.
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Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:40 pm

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Also stop trying to gas me up. The shitfight is over and continuing it is truly babyish.
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