Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.13

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Radja [2]:

Not_Mafia, Horsewoman

DkKoba [1]:

Gimli son of Glóin

Lostego [1]:

Ahsoka

Ahsoka [1]:

Radja

clidd [1]:

DkKoba

Not_Mafia [1]:

Lostego

Horsewoman [1]:

clidd

Not Voting [1]:

Raya36

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[clidd]

Koba's return/reset seems ok gonna UNVOTE: for now. Happy to talk about any players if you want, Koba.

@clidd re 644, that clears a lot up actually. I am interested in how those small town pings completely changed them from a scum lean to a town lean. To be more specific why did you say that you expect town!Ahsoka's thoughts to align with yours (also one of the reasons for the new townlean).

Not liking the push on NM. Anyone who knows his play is well aware it won't go anywhere D1.

I agree, although he is in most of my PoE scenarios as scum.

That for sure makes sense, but for any player other than NM. Unless NM does something amazing I'm happy to join you on them D2 but we both know nothing is going to come of that vote D1.

I can try to go into all details about the process of my read on him, in case you really want me to pass everything from my mind to the keyboard, but I don't know how long it will take.

Regarding what I said about me expecting his thoughts to align with mine, I believe that town!He should not interpret things too far from the angle that I cannot see, in the sense that if there is compatibility between my understanding of that he is seeing and his perception of the game, it is less likely that he is trying to conceal a narrative to reconcile with an intentional/malicious read, which is one of the reasons why I believe he is trying to solve the game in a non biased-scum way, at least until now.

This is my last reference to town!him, which is our past game together:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=30197

But I believe that there are variations due to the fact that he's playing a character here, so I'm still keeping my eyes open.

[Raya36]

Koba's return/reset seems ok gonna UNVOTE: for now. Happy to talk about any players if you want, Koba.

@clidd re 644, that clears a lot up actually. I am interested in how those small town pings completely changed them from a scum lean to a town lean. To be more specific why did you say that you expect town!Ahsoka's thoughts to align with yours (also one of the reasons for the new townlean).

Not liking the push on NM. Anyone who knows his play is well aware it won't go anywhere D1.

I agree, although he is in most of my PoE scenarios as scum.

That for sure makes sense, but for any player other than NM. Unless NM does something amazing I'm happy to join you on them D2 but we both know nothing is going to come of that vote D1.

I can try to go into all details about the process of my read on him, in case you really want me to pass everything from my mind to the keyboard, but I don't know how long it will take.

Regarding what I said about me expecting his thoughts to align with mine, I believe that town!He should not interpret things too far from the angle that I cannot see, in the sense that if there is compatibility between my understanding of that he is seeing and his perception of the game, it is less likely that he is trying to conceal a narrative to reconcile with an intentional/malicious read, which is one of the reasons why I believe he is trying to solve the game in a non biased-scum way, at least until now.

This is my last reference to town!him, which is our past game together:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=30197

But I believe that there are variations due to the fact that he's playing a character here, so I'm still keeping my eyes open.

That's not necessary considering how long that could take. This is the main explanation I was looking for. Is the idea that his thoughts should align with yours specific to him based on experience together/meta, or was that a more general comment concerning what you would expect of town!anyone?

[Raya36]

My unsorted are Ahsoka, NM, Lostego, and Radja. If any of you are around tonight I'd love to talk about reads with you.

[Not_Mafia]

Radja is scum

[clidd]

Raya, It's more about what I expect from him based on experience/meta mixed in a bit with what I expect by default in my personal town/scumhunting process, which involves a set of rational and emotional factors.

I try to use every available resource in my mind to try to get a better read.

[Raya36]

Radja is scum

Care to discuss why?

Thank you clidd, I still need to sort Ahsoka, so assuming this was all in good faith from you it may help.

[Ahsoka]

I think Dkkoba-Raya has some possibility. Raya's handling of the Kkoba slot is kind of weird.

[Raya36]

How so?

[Ahsoka]

possibility of a bus, then a relief vote.

[Raya36]

For the sake of transparency the reason I voted was for what appeared to be a forced tunnel in response to being called out for their unusual play. I still believe this is a possibility but their recent reset is leading me to think maybe clidd is right and they're just anti-town. Either way I unvoted mainly because Koba is taking a bit of a break so staying there is useless.

[Horsewoman]

Apart from the post where you accused me of essentially being a cheater, liar and sex harasser for no reason

I don't think it's related to the game or AI, but Dk never called you these things and it is not healthy for either party to comment on this topic.

If you suspect DK, that's fine, that's understandable, but don't try to put words that didn't come out of their mouth.

He said i was an illegal alt of votato who was banned for sexual harassment (and nobody fucking fed me that information that is clearly available in the public ban thread, koba)

[Horsewoman]

Not only is that informatoion available in the public ban thread, it was also being extensively discussed in ths stop getting banned thread, one of the sites most active threads which as I posted i was enthralled by, immediately after i joined the speak easy

[Horsewoman]

As i said dkkoba take it directly to the adminstrators. Or post it publucly in the stop getting banned thread to start drama, i dont give a crap. Theres just one place none of this shit belongs which is in a goddamn mafia game that Im just trying to play here.

[Horsewoman]

guarantee horsewoman and gimli were just venting about how much they hate me in scum PT <3 its ok the feelings are obviously bleeding over to main thread

Bro I am overtly venting about you in this thread, dont need a scum PT (I dont hate you as a person for what its worth)

[Horsewoman]

Okay so now. Talking about the actual game. Raya36 is a player I didnt realize was in this game. However I like her willingness to ask questions that arent just empty, they GO somewhere. I think there is a lot of good analysis and reasoning. Town.

Clidd and aaasoka are slots that have attracted a lot of controversy and I need to read them more closely. None of their posts have struck me.

Kobas fight with gimli isnt really AI from me. I think koba has made a lot of drastjc tonal shifts this game, but what im not seeing is the REASON for those shifts. And as someone said earlier, koba started acting comically aggressive after it was pointed out that they were aggressive as town. Town would shift tone for genuine emotional or other reasons, not to look good. I also think that there are some scum actinh loudly and engaging in theatre because there are 3 scum to play with and a lot more to position/play creatively. Hiding isnt going to work.

[Horsewoman]

Post 660 great post, really genuine and plausible explanation for thought and reasoning progression. Very greenposting.

[DkKoba]

theres something im unfortunately noticing here and I'm gonna keep it to myself but its somethign I really was hoping wasn't true. using this post as a soft for me having this thought process at this point in time.



fwiw i think horsewoman and gimli are same alignment. either they're both scum or both town. if the list were to confirm one cant be scum, the other cant be either IMO.

[DkKoba]

I sorta have 2 universes I'm playing with rn in my head??
idk if i even want to out it so scum can play around it with the list.

like 2 separate PoEs, and I guess I did slip it in my last post but 1 includes HW/Gimli and one excludes them

[DkKoba]

also if im like completely fucking wrong about the former being same alignment, its HW who is the scum in the 2.

[DkKoba]

i just hate how i have to like consider whether or not NM is mafia via PoE or not. Does town!NM fit here? or does scum!NM fit here?

also not sure when active scumhunting was considered anti town but sure keep discrediting me !!!!!

[DkKoba]

are yall all like EU or smthing

[Horsewoman]

I actually am but my sleep is usually non-existent or erratic.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Hullo! Got a bit of a headache but I'm here catching up.

I'm fine clearing clidd for now. He is in thread constantly and is always evaluating in a way that'd be incredibly tiring for scum. the way his brain works is very different from mine, and therefore he uses other tools to scumhunt. clidd has a sharp memory and catalogues a lot of information. he always remembers details of people's posts and what his impressions of those were, and when he reevaluates it's much more common to see him remembering his first impressions and maintaining those than changing his mind about it. that looks great but it makes scumhunting very difficult, as he needs too much raw data to evaluate anything and his worldbuilding is slow. I found his reads list quite disappointing, as it doesn't even have a POE or anything resembling a solve yet. But I think that makes so much sense with town!clidd and I'm glad there's someone with such an incredibly different brain working this game out with me.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

My vote right now would be on N_M, but it's a meh wagon to push.

no i disagree, n_m has come through with assured reads and nothing to back them. i know this is kinda his thing but it doesn't excuse the behavior

VOTE: not_mafia

Lostego has defended radja before with the thinnest of reasons, saying that was a bad wagon because it was too consensus-y (which wasn't true). Interesting vote as he just explained before voting NM that NM's posts are patently NAI. so what lostego is suggesting here essentially is for us to policy elim NM. At no point there's a suggestion that NM is scum, nor the vote is designed to make him evaluate NM. This is furthering my scumread on the slot.