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[Noraa]

Early game makes shelly/nopoint look not implausible, actually, although I've no idea who would fit as a 3rd teammate in that instance.

I would argue early game doesn't make any team look implausible.

[Noraa]

I've no interest in replying to any more meta accusations from someone that didn't even skim properly.

[Andresvmb]

I didn’t skim properly? All anybody has to do is follow the link I attached, and they can make their own conclusions.

[Noraa]

The day 1 elimination thought I was scum and that was it lol. u really didn't skim well.

[Insanoflex]

Early game makes shelly/nopoint look not implausible, actually, although I've no idea who would fit as a 3rd teammate in that instance.

I would argue early game doesn't make any team look implausible.

Untrue. I think early game shows strong evidence for unwnd as town.

[Noraa]

I think early game shows strong evidence for unwnd as town.

ooo where? I very much like this theory!

[Andresvmb]

The day 1 elimination thought I was scum and that was it lol. u really didn't skim well.

You’re lying:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12188123.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12195771
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12195848

I could go and find more but why bother? It’s obvious you’re misrepresenting what happened in that game.

[Noraa]

Lol ur gonna go link some posts from after I got guiltied?

[Andresvmb]

Whatever I don’t even care all that much about that game. My point very much stands - you are trying to paint yourself as an agreeable, UTR Scum who always lives until the end and is never suspected. It’s just not the case. plus was in that game too.

[Andresvmb]

Lol ur gonna go link some posts from after I got guiltied?

Why do you think you were checked? Any guesses? Because you were the paragon of Town?

And the Battle Mage post I quoted came in D1. Try again.

[Noraa]

No your point doesn't stand. I was UTR but I got guiltied for being too towny so I didn't live til the end.

[Noraa]

Lol ur gonna go link some posts from after I got guiltied?

Why do you think you were checked? Any guesses? Because you were the paragon of Town?

And the Battle Mage post I quoted came in D1. Try again.

I WAS BATTLE MAGES TOP TR. HE WAS WEAK FN THAT CRUMBED HIS VISIT TO HIS TOP TR NORAA HARD. THERE WAS DOUBLEKILL NIGHT 1. NO SHIT I WAS GUILTIED.

If you can't skim properly, then don't.

[Noraa]

And the Battle Mage post I quoted came in D1. Try again.

that post u quoted doesn't even have anything to do with me soooo

[Andresvmb]

Again, I’m not pointing to that game for the actual outcome. I’m pointing to that game so that others can understand how you react under pressure as Scum. You went whiny and aggressive. Just like you’re doing here. You’re overly focused on the result - not so focused on how you respond.

[Noraa]

Again, I’m not pointing to that game for the actual outcome. I’m pointing to that game so that others can understand how you react under pressure as Scum. You went whiny and aggressive. Just like you’re doing here. You’re overly focused on the result - not so focused on how you respond.

you did some jackshit skimming and come pointing ur damn finger at me. none of ur points stand even remotely cuz u fucking skimmed like hell.

I am using this game to show I'm town bc this game DOES SHOW IM TOWN. But u are trying so hard to say it doesn't when u can't even get some simple facts right.

[Noraa]

@PLUSJOYED

Andres is trying hard to drown out my meta case so I packaged it nicely here:

Spoiler:

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

Think of Haunted Village.
Think of So many bats.

I just went thru So many bats and randomly scrolled thru and picked up some quotes. There is a HUGE tone difference. Take a look.

Spoiler:

not funny and not helpful!

ooo is this post here that u posted helpful or funny?

Redados why did you vote Noraa?

was very frustrated at her and felt like my vote was the most powerful way I could show my anger

now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.

This is terrible reasoning
I'm calling it
We have a scum!Redados

I'm not aggressive...
especially while shelly's here for comparison lmao
meh basically u dont have observations then imo
I'm always more relaxed in games I dont replace into ... I think?
not too sure yet but I think that's how I am
anyways I dont think I've done anything here that I wouldn't also do as scum yet so I feel like it'd be weird if anyone had a solid and good read on me rn.
Also this game's funny. Everyone blows up the thread on day 1 of day 1 and then after that there's just complete silence

Funblock so far is Odd Day Jester/Norwee/Mundivore

I'm okay with this bloc for now. Noraa's a promising prospect I'm looking at as well.

Pedit: Clear lack of what?

yes yes add me
I'm loaded since Jackson and Saudade still owe me money. I'll buy my way into this clownblock

wow my whole read had two similarities to urs!
SHOCKING

My read rn:
Mundivore-town
bugspray-3rd scum?
JacksonVirgo-town
duppin-town
MiniMegabyte-town
Tayl0r Swift/Grendel-town
Odd Day Jester-town
shellyc-scum
Saudade-town
Redados-scum
UNOwen-town
NorwegianboyEE-3rd scum?

My current scum team I think is:
Shelly
Redados
Norwee/bugspray

I'm not at all confident in this scumteam tbh. In fact I'm 100% sure its definitely not completely correct like it might have 1 or 2 of the scum team but I highly highly doubt this is the actual solve of this game. However I'm putting this read out there to start some questions/conversations about me introducing what I think currently, is the scum team. Bring in the questions and I'll try my best to answer and adjust my reads if what is said is reasonable.

Bc my current guess for the scum team is
Redados
Shelly
Norwee/bugspray

From most confident to least confident and I'm kinda wanting to replace the last slot that I have close to zero confidence on with Taylor

No I TR grendel but SR Taylor and since Taylor is the one currently in the slot, then my TR on Grendel means nothing

I dont see why you should be disappointed. I played one game as scum with u which basically means I didn't get any meta on u. literally nada. also *sigh* that does sound like AtE -______-
anyways I won't hold it against u cuz u specifically said [no AtE here] but if I wrongly push town!Taylor, apologies in advance bc I'm fairly certain I will be pushing ur wagon due to the pretty strong scum vibes I get from u. however this game, I am paying attention so if I realize its just ur playstyle that's scummy, u will get the benefit of the doubt next round I play with u.

All of his SRs have zero good reasoning/logic/evidence backing them up

that's a role?
I thought he was joking or something

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

Saudade lim today? anyone up for it?

Redados lim isn't gonna go thru bc most the stuff that happened there was us being salty.
Duppin is still pretty towny besides the fact that he can't back up some stuff
plus is just full of plusiness and not too scummy so far

Saudade lim is the answer to everyone's problems imo

2007 join date does not equal LHF.
lets not have a pointless argument about why BM isn't LHF
its clear asf that he isn't

Hectic join me on BM.
I caved in and am not going to vote bugs.
I took a step back. will u be doing the same?

noraa explain that trajectory and why you changed from SR to TR

I explained it multiple times. go find it.

I was capable of faking a reads list, going around asking people for opinions, starting wagons, asking people to ask wagons, and get widely TRed. These quotes show it.

Why don’t you quote some of your arguments with Battle Mage?

Sure thing! Lets take a look at how I drove that wagon.

Spoiler:

it would be so much nicer and easier to analyze this game if shelly and noraa didnt together make up over a third of all the posts dammit

It would also be nice if u had some actual reads + evidence to back any of them up.

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

Fixed.

i have a solution

VOTE: plusjoyed

I dont like that you hop on the largest wagon with zero reason.

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

this is the shittiest SR list I've seen so far with two of the literal towniest damn players in it.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage

I dont want a free town pass. wtf.

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

I hate this. VOTE: BM

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

1) u just voted plus
2) Taylor claimed a pr so ur just trying to be safe

I was fine with Saudade. Bm is not doing Saudade's slot any justice if Saudade was town but now I'm convinced BM is scum.

Saudade wagon where y'all at?

Lets lim this slot

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

we need to get a full on wagon together asap.
BM is looking like the best choice rn imo

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

YALL HAVE CONVINCED ME(not really I convinced myself)
but anyways. I am very sus of this slot rn

Saudade lim today? anyone up for it?

Redados lim isn't gonna go thru bc most the stuff that happened there was us being salty.
Duppin is still pretty towny besides the fact that he can't back up some stuff
plus is just full of plusiness and not too scummy so far

Saudade lim is the answer to everyone's problems imo

Im not SRing him for not vibing with my reads
ur just randomly accusing
I stated clearly my reasoning

We need a lim asap and the new replacement is just not hitting right.
I suggest a BM lim.
It's put together a bit roughly on my part but I think its better than all the other choices for today
If I'm wrong, fuck
but I think this ones likely right

Place your vote on Saudade

And you don’t see how abrasive you can be as Scum?

am I driving that aggressively?

am I telling everyone to vote you?

[Andresvmb]

Okay I got a bit confused with the mechanics. Yes, Battle Mage had you as their top TR. That caused a check that exposed you. So I take back my conclusion on Battle Mage.

But still, you keep focusing on the result. I am right about how you reacted under pressure, and the sort of arguments you make as Scum. You weren’t UTR. If you had been, nobody would have had strong feelings about your slot.

For example, had Fuzzy been Scum, you would call that UTR a bit. Or if geraintm flipped Scum.

[Andresvmb]

Again, I’m not pointing to that game for the actual outcome. I’m pointing to that game so that others can understand how you react under pressure as Scum. You went whiny and aggressive. Just like you’re doing here. You’re overly focused on the result - not so focused on how you respond.

you did some jackshit skimming and come pointing ur damn finger at me. none of ur points stand even remotely cuz u fucking skimmed like hell.

I am using this game to show I'm town bc this game DOES SHOW IM TOWN. But u are trying so hard to say it doesn't when u can't even get some simple facts right.

I’m not really going to say much about your game overall here until after this is over. Once this game is done, we can discuss.

[Noraa]

STOP TALKING TO ME.
I REPEAT. STOP.

I'm about to solidly ignore every single thing you say if you keep engaging me in bad faith.

[Andresvmb]

Sure. Let’s agree to disagree on this one.

[Insanoflex]

I think early game shows strong evidence for unwnd as town.

ooo where? I very much like this theory!

Not now. I'm going to present my conclusions when I've gotten to the end of day 2, or at least up to my replace in. I want to get everything nicely compiled.

[Noraa]

I think early game shows strong evidence for unwnd as town.

ooo where? I very much like this theory!

Not now. I'm going to present my conclusions when I've gotten to the end of day 2, or at least up to my replace in. I want to get everything nicely compiled.

awesome. I might do an unwnd iso in a bit to see if I can come to the same conclusions.

[Andresvmb]

@Flavor, I still want you to quantify the odds that Noraa is Town here.

[PlusJOYED]

I've kinda tuned out both andres and Noraa sorry I don't think anything is getting accomplished with them going back and forth tunneling, at least for me.

if we for some reason go anywhere else other than noraa I'll most likely shoot noraa tonight.

[Noraa]

@PLUSJOYED

Andres is trying hard to drown out my meta case so I packaged it nicely here:

Spoiler:

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

Think of Haunted Village.
Think of So many bats.

I just went thru So many bats and randomly scrolled thru and picked up some quotes. There is a HUGE tone difference. Take a look.

Spoiler:

not funny and not helpful!

ooo is this post here that u posted helpful or funny?

Redados why did you vote Noraa?

was very frustrated at her and felt like my vote was the most powerful way I could show my anger

now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.

This is terrible reasoning
I'm calling it
We have a scum!Redados

I'm not aggressive...
especially while shelly's here for comparison lmao
meh basically u dont have observations then imo
I'm always more relaxed in games I dont replace into ... I think?
not too sure yet but I think that's how I am
anyways I dont think I've done anything here that I wouldn't also do as scum yet so I feel like it'd be weird if anyone had a solid and good read on me rn.
Also this game's funny. Everyone blows up the thread on day 1 of day 1 and then after that there's just complete silence

Funblock so far is Odd Day Jester/Norwee/Mundivore

I'm okay with this bloc for now. Noraa's a promising prospect I'm looking at as well.

Pedit: Clear lack of what?

yes yes add me
I'm loaded since Jackson and Saudade still owe me money. I'll buy my way into this clownblock

wow my whole read had two similarities to urs!
SHOCKING

My read rn:
Mundivore-town
bugspray-3rd scum?
JacksonVirgo-town
duppin-town
MiniMegabyte-town
Tayl0r Swift/Grendel-town
Odd Day Jester-town
shellyc-scum
Saudade-town
Redados-scum
UNOwen-town
NorwegianboyEE-3rd scum?

My current scum team I think is:
Shelly
Redados
Norwee/bugspray

I'm not at all confident in this scumteam tbh. In fact I'm 100% sure its definitely not completely correct like it might have 1 or 2 of the scum team but I highly highly doubt this is the actual solve of this game. However I'm putting this read out there to start some questions/conversations about me introducing what I think currently, is the scum team. Bring in the questions and I'll try my best to answer and adjust my reads if what is said is reasonable.

Bc my current guess for the scum team is
Redados
Shelly
Norwee/bugspray

From most confident to least confident and I'm kinda wanting to replace the last slot that I have close to zero confidence on with Taylor

No I TR grendel but SR Taylor and since Taylor is the one currently in the slot, then my TR on Grendel means nothing

I dont see why you should be disappointed. I played one game as scum with u which basically means I didn't get any meta on u. literally nada. also *sigh* that does sound like AtE -______-
anyways I won't hold it against u cuz u specifically said [no AtE here] but if I wrongly push town!Taylor, apologies in advance bc I'm fairly certain I will be pushing ur wagon due to the pretty strong scum vibes I get from u. however this game, I am paying attention so if I realize its just ur playstyle that's scummy, u will get the benefit of the doubt next round I play with u.

All of his SRs have zero good reasoning/logic/evidence backing them up

that's a role?
I thought he was joking or something

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

Saudade lim today? anyone up for it?

Redados lim isn't gonna go thru bc most the stuff that happened there was us being salty.
Duppin is still pretty towny besides the fact that he can't back up some stuff
plus is just full of plusiness and not too scummy so far

Saudade lim is the answer to everyone's problems imo

2007 join date does not equal LHF.
lets not have a pointless argument about why BM isn't LHF
its clear asf that he isn't

Hectic join me on BM.
I caved in and am not going to vote bugs.
I took a step back. will u be doing the same?

noraa explain that trajectory and why you changed from SR to TR

I explained it multiple times. go find it.

I was capable of faking a reads list, going around asking people for opinions, starting wagons, asking people to ask wagons, and get widely TRed. These quotes show it.

Why don’t you quote some of your arguments with Battle Mage?

Sure thing! Lets take a look at how I drove that wagon.

Spoiler:

it would be so much nicer and easier to analyze this game if shelly and noraa didnt together make up over a third of all the posts dammit

It would also be nice if u had some actual reads + evidence to back any of them up.

it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?

Fixed.

i have a solution

VOTE: plusjoyed

I dont like that you hop on the largest wagon with zero reason.

my initial scumreads from a glance, are:

Norweg
Hectic
Shelly

this is the shittiest SR list I've seen so far with two of the literal towniest damn players in it.

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage

I dont want a free town pass. wtf.

did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT

I hate this. VOTE: BM

scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic

neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen

town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage

1) u just voted plus
2) Taylor claimed a pr so ur just trying to be safe

I was fine with Saudade. Bm is not doing Saudade's slot any justice if Saudade was town but now I'm convinced BM is scum.

Saudade wagon where y'all at?

Lets lim this slot

Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?

we need to get a full on wagon together asap.
BM is looking like the best choice rn imo

He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere

Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly

SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?

YALL HAVE CONVINCED ME(not really I convinced myself)
but anyways. I am very sus of this slot rn

Saudade lim today? anyone up for it?

Redados lim isn't gonna go thru bc most the stuff that happened there was us being salty.
Duppin is still pretty towny besides the fact that he can't back up some stuff
plus is just full of plusiness and not too scummy so far

Saudade lim is the answer to everyone's problems imo

Im not SRing him for not vibing with my reads
ur just randomly accusing
I stated clearly my reasoning

We need a lim asap and the new replacement is just not hitting right.
I suggest a BM lim.
It's put together a bit roughly on my part but I think its better than all the other choices for today
If I'm wrong, fuck
but I think this ones likely right

Place your vote on Saudade

And you don’t see how abrasive you can be as Scum?

am I driving that aggressively?

am I telling everyone to vote you?