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[Deacon Blues]

I can write that wall if I want to read it.

This is as close to a morph hydra as I've ever felt in a game that doesn't have morph in the player list.

If this is scum-you I've been totally, totally snowed.

[Dandelion Wine]

Now I really want you to write it to see how it compares.

[Dandelion Wine]

I bet the reasons you write would miss at least two things I would put there.

[Deacon Blues]

Only 2?

I'm notoriously un-self-aware. I don't know what's in the blind spots, but I kinda know where they are.

[Dandelion Wine]

But we can save the hydrae vertical tango for more private spaces. Nobody wants to see this weird ass head crossover flirting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

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[Deacon Blues]

yah.

still.

my gripe stands.

[Deacon Blues]

I guess the only reason I wouldn't is if I believe in my ability to save myself, and not just for a few days, but permanently.

I guess the question needs to go out to the people who have experience with me: do you think that, assuming I am town, you might realistically be able to get enough good towntells on me in the next few days that you would feel comfortable trusting me all the way to endgame?

After PYP I can't imagine skitter's answer being yes. I really can't imagine a yes from many people, honestly. Probably Firebringer. Maybe Pooky.

Given your thoughts of the likelihood, what do you want to do?

[Deacon Blues]

I guess the question needs to go out to the people who have experience with me: do you think that, assuming I am town, you might realistically be able to get enough good towntells on me in the next few days that you would feel comfortable trusting me all the way to endgame?

speaking personally it's entirely possible on my end this game, for this to happen w/ anyone that is regularly producing some kind of content; and that's not the only thing that could potentially happen to make me think you're town

curious as to where you're going with this though

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i feel like if there's even a shred of probably that titus flips scum we don't eliminate s_s today as that would almost assuredly clear s_s

-b

[Deacon Blues]

5209 and 5211 seems like she's flipping town though

-b

[petapan]

if LLD is tunneling you the only way you're going to get out of it is by catching scum or getting mod confirmed as town and the latter isn't going to happen so you'd better be able to do the former

[Deacon Blues]

if LLD is tunneling you the only way you're going to get out of it is by catching scum or getting mod confirmed as town and the latter isn't going to happen so you'd better be able to do the former

This isn't true by my experience, but even if it were, my response is fuck that. I'm not playing this game to suit her expectations. I'm playing it to the best of my ability.

[Something_Smart]

Given your thoughts of the likelihood, what do you want to do?

I mean I want to see what people say rather than jumping to conclusions. But it seems like it's probably better to just turnstile me-- it's basically a free vig shot.

[Firebringer]

i would like to not elim my friend mr something smart

[Dandelion Wine]

my response to "will you be able to townread me later" is "are you going to start playing differently"
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

but i mean also a scum flip from titus would pretty much be a clear so
-ceph

[Deacon Blues]

superbowl9
Petapan
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)
Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)
midwaybear
Something_Smart
Firebringer
Lady Lambdadelta
skitter30

Of the original reverse timestream folks who are still here, I feel like s_s is the most likely to be scum, with skitter and midway bear as maybes. bork thinks midway bear is probably town.

Of the three incoming from the forwards timestream, I feel like pooky and pisskop are the most likely to be scum.

pisskop feels kind of like a default consensus and that worries me, even though if I had to decide right this second that's where I'd vote.

more thoughts tomorrow AM.

[Something_Smart]

my response to "will you be able to townread me later" is "are you going to start playing differently"

Ask Cabd then. I was asking only people who knew me because I didn't expect helpful answers from the ones who didn't.

[petapan]

i'm actually going to be somewhat arbitrary with this because i want to start with where i have strong feelings and work down

Dandelion Wine:

i was vibing incredibly hard with almost everything ceph posted yesterday, even as he was still being paranoid toward me at the same time. our thinking was similar enough that if he's scum whatever, i'm snowed. also don't think cabd talks to me the way he did as scum.

midwaybear:

i certainly didn't like the way he handled the wagons at the end of the day yesterday, there looked like there was a streak of opportunism in what he was doing. re-reading my questioning of him starting from 4069, though, the responses he gives all feel believable in their reasoning, stuff like "I don’t really scumread anyone though which is a little disappointing" is not the response i'd expect him to give as scum. 4252's "My trust in [Deacon] feels lower even though I can’t pinpoint why" also feels towny to me, the expression of a ~feeling~ without any concrete evidence. the reads in 5017 also are okay as far as analysis, the thought process is plausible for him. i'm just realizing he actually commented on superbowl coasting well before i did today which is again town points for him.

i don't want to say this is a full meta thing, because that's dangerous thinking and he's capable of learning from his mistakes, but as i've said before his response to pressure this game has been

unbothered

which i think points to him being town. the caveat is that i literally told him to work on his response to pressure as scum, but there's a difference between knowing you have to work on something and actually putting it into practice and it'd be incredibly impressive for him to have adapted his play that much in the span of a couple weeks. not

impossible

, but i wouldn't bet on it. it doesn't look like he's struggling to talk to anyone at any point in time.

i feel like the pushes on him being scum have all been kind of weak reasoning based mainly on him being less active, and very possibly scum-driven? i can certainly see a town player being suspicious of him but some of the reasons for voting him that i remember have been fairly poor.

[petapan]

bork and i have both been scum with midwaybear recently and that's probably why we have similar perspectives

[Dandelion Wine]

ss is the most likely scum for me from that list. peta, midway are possible. i guess gfitac could've just made a few town sounding posts. fire is not impossible, i do think he's town but i think people underestimate his scum game. i'm not really trying to read lld right now- i've had some town pings but my rule is she's gotta catch me some scum and i think she knows that.
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

oh, and i'm leaning town on skitter at this point.
owl/deacon are simply not for yeeting.
-ceph

[petapan]

superbowl9:

UNVOTE: turnstyle - superbowl9

I would really like to get this skittles thing firgured out today, can yall somehow figure out whether you have enough of a cc to elim? It better be correct though

Besides that I’d love to yeet midwaybear out of here, pretty terrible content all around.
UNVOTE: midwaybear

Why is pooky being pushed as though everyone should have obvtowned FL there? Clearly many people saw scum there

Also not sure why there is a bunch of confusion about the NK, scum is just targeting turnstyles no?

i actually really don't like this post? the first line is especially grody if skitter is town (and in anticipation of someone saying "b-b-but you said you'd vote there and blame cabd if it's wrong" - not the same, also shut up). one liner vote on midwaybear with vague reasoning of "pretty terrible content". trying to avoid any placement of responsibility for the FL vote. i don't necessarily hate not immediately blaming pooky but something about the line "Clearly many people saw scum there" just makes it feel like writing the miselimination off without attempting to be critical of anyone on it at all.

4195 is a weird question to gamma. a significant chunk of his content today has just been with regard to speculation with the turnstile and purple room, a lot of fearmongering about things going wrong and complaining about the plan to clear a timestream being unrealistic. the stance on skitter where we should turnstile her even if we might eliminate her is weird. i don't like 4384. there's a continued leaning on other people about what we're doing with skitter - see stuff like 4681, 4682 where he's asking them about what they want to do, being a good little sheep - but there really is no sense at all that he's trying to sort skitter himself. 5157 is another fos with nothing behind it, just "I think A50 might just be scum". 5424 is sketchy, the followup of "Still think midwaybear is the better flip tho" isn't good, and given that this is the most words he has commited to this today, does this really look like town who is interested in pursuing a scumread? defends s_s when he's getting attention in 5518, then reiterates being okay with pisskop or midwaybear in 5519, 5746 is an unvote on pisskop when momentum is gathering there.


all that stubborn independent mindedness that seemed so town about him on day 1 just kind of vanished and he's been very complaisant. in comparison to someone like midway getting all the attention i feel like he's gotten by while doing much

less

. i went back through his iso and he's actually literally never given a real reason for midwaybear being scum?

[petapan]

ss is the most likely scum for me from that list. peta, midway are possible. i guess gfitac could've just made a few town sounding posts. fire is not impossible, i do think he's town but i think people underestimate his scum game. i'm not really trying to read lld right now- i've had some town pings but my rule is she's gotta catch me some scum and i think she knows that.
-ceph

get cabd to tell you why i'm not scum