Newbie 2048 | Game Over

[Emperor flippyNips]

haha it's a newbie game, but I have enough confidence in EVERYONE in this playerlist to elim you here. irrelevant whether I'm a 'leader' or not. I was just the guy here to call you out.

No?

Actually, i like your idea with catching scum on quickvotes, but i don't clearly understand why you started accuse him.

Mafia probably would not care about someone who put on E-1, even more hope someone will do dirty work.

also if i was scum why wouldn't i just chill & let it sit there? i wasnt the one who put them at p1 so if they got hammered none of the blame would of gone to me, so why would scum!me unvote? doesn't make sense

also this jars a bit. Enchant and Emp making exactly the same defence on behalf of Emp, but not acknowledging each other, and of course the defence doesn't hold water as I noted above.

Dang, maybe it is. maybe it is.

well i like that im being defended, i didn't feel the need to acknowledge that so yeah.

[Emperor flippyNips]

UNVOTE:

Just in case. That puts them at L2, unless I can’t count

why didnt you do this when they were originally at L-1? you had posted since, and didn't seem that worried? maybe you would've been quite happy with a quickhammer, but had second thoughts later you were too conspicuous.

VOTE: emperor flippynips

easy game

lol nah. i just didn't count cos i was lazy

I'm scumreading this regardless of whether it's a lie or not.

If it is, I would expect scum to be inclined towards instinctively lying about something trivial due to difficulty discerning posts which pose a threat to their survivability from those that don't.
If it isn't, 24 reads as a pretty self conscious post and again something I expect to come more from scum because they prioritize survival over solving the game.

so youre telling you dont want to live? you're not wanting to make it to end game & finish off the game yourself? i mean sure thats not always possible but do you not want to at least try to make that happen?

[Emperor flippyNips]

It's kinda useless, because i know you voting me out of spite, for last game.

you dont think anyone is voting you because they are scum and want to mis-elim you?

Nah, too obvious. Maybe scum just jumped in, but i somewhat believe wagon started by townie.

makes sense, i wouldnt be surprised if sum is on your wagon

[Emperor flippyNips]

also if i was scum why wouldn't i just chill & let it sit there? i wasnt the one who put them at p1 so if they got hammered none of the blame would of gone to me, so why would scum!me unvote? doesn't make sense

To look towny, maybe? Lolhammers are pretty rare from what I've seen.
Why assume Enchant is town?

i never said i thought they were town, i just didn't want to lose the opportunity to actually get a read on them

[Binatog13]

In my opinion, getting an elim today is a town sacrifice for more information. But if we flip a PR, that is mafia's advantage.
Getting no elim today gives mafia less info for hunting PR's (i mean less chance for mafia to kill pr)

[Enchant]

In my opinion, getting an elim today is a town sacrifice for more information. But if we flip a PR, that is mafia's advantage.
Getting no elim today gives mafia less info for hunting PR's (i mean less chance for mafia to kill pr)

Not less actually, mafia have same chances.

[Rockhopper]

In my opinion, getting an elim today is a town sacrifice for more information. But if we flip a PR, that is mafia's advantage.
Getting no elim today gives mafia less info for hunting PR's (i mean less chance for mafia to kill pr)

Not less actually, mafia have same chances.

You're right they are almost the same, the elim path is only slightly better (2%) assuming maf don't find any breadcrumbs.
But a 22% chance of hitting scum (much higher if town have good reads) is safer IMO cus what are the chances that the living PR is an investigative? And what are the chances that an extra tracker check proves to be useful?

Anyhoo I'm confident about my reads on BM and Mini so I'd rather eliminate today.

[Enchant]

In my opinion, getting an elim today is a town sacrifice for more information. But if we flip a PR, that is mafia's advantage.
Getting no elim today gives mafia less info for hunting PR's (i mean less chance for mafia to kill pr)

Not less actually, mafia have same chances.

You're right they are almost the same, the elim path is only slightly better (2%) assuming maf don't find any breadcrumbs.
But a 22% chance of hitting scum (much higher if town have good reads) is safer IMO cus what are the chances that the living PR is an investigative? And what are the chances that an extra tracker check proves to be useful?

Anyhoo I'm confident about my reads on BM and Mini so I'd rather eliminate today.

5/9 we have investigative.
About trackers... I dunno. Tracker would catch falseclaimers, prove real PR and find mafia, who kills at night. Seems fine, because mafia almost allways fakeclaim.

[MiniMegabyte]

i want to find my town friends & killing someone before i can even get a hint towards their alignment doesn't fly for me

That is a point but personally I feel it’s more of a scum thing to do

[MiniMegabyte]

maybe i'm being overly paranoid about lolhammers. but i want the chance to read everyone and don't want things to go into night before i've had a chance to put you all under my magnifying glass

This just seems like a weird post to me I can’t explain it but it feels... just weird

[Battle Mage]

haha it's a newbie game, but I have enough confidence in EVERYONE in this playerlist to elim you here. irrelevant whether I'm a 'leader' or not. I was just the guy here to call you out.

No?

Actually, i like your idea with catching scum on quickvotes, but i don't clearly understand why you started accuse him.

Mafia probably would not care about someone who put on E-1, even more hope someone will do dirty work.

also if i was scum why wouldn't i just chill & let it sit there? i wasnt the one who put them at p1 so if they got hammered none of the blame would of gone to me, so why would scum!me unvote? doesn't make sense

also this jars a bit. Enchant and Emp making exactly the same defence on behalf of Emp, but not acknowledging each other, and of course the defence doesn't hold water as I noted above.

Dang, maybe it is. maybe it is.

well i like that im being defended, i didn't feel the need to acknowledge that so yeah.

sounds like you've got a bit of a vulnerability here - do you think it's possible that those defending you could be scum?

[MiniMegabyte]

Enchant and Emp making exactly the same defence on behalf of Emp, but not acknowledging each other, and of course the defence doesn't hold water as I noted above.

That is not something I noticed to be honest it does seem too coordinated to be a coincidence

[Enchant]

Enchant and Emp making exactly the same defence on behalf of Emp, but not acknowledging each other, and of course the defence doesn't hold water as I noted above.

That is not something I noticed to be honest it does seem too coordinated to be a coincidence

Yes, this is link.

It's called "Common Sense".

[Binatog13]

haha it's a newbie game, but I have enough confidence in EVERYONE in this playerlist to elim you here. irrelevant whether I'm a 'leader' or not. I was just the guy here to call you out.

No?

Actually, i like your idea with catching scum on quickvotes, but i don't clearly understand why you started accuse him.

Mafia probably would not care about someone who put on E-1, even more hope someone will do dirty work.

also if i was scum why wouldn't i just chill & let it sit there? i wasnt the one who put them at p1 so if they got hammered none of the blame would of gone to me, so why would scum!me unvote? doesn't make sense

also this jars a bit. Enchant and Emp making exactly the same defence on behalf of Emp, but not acknowledging each other, and of course the defence doesn't hold water as I noted above.

Dang, maybe it is. maybe it is.

well i like that im being defended, i didn't feel the need to acknowledge that so yeah.

sounds like you've got a bit of a vulnerability here - do you think it's possible that those defending you could be scum?

It is possible that they are mafia buddies, or mason-mason townies. But we don't know for 9, as we have 9 possible role lists, but we have one common knowledge that there at least 5 VT and 1 mafia goon.

[Binatog13]

edit: we dont know for today

[Binatog13]

and rip my grammar, please forgive me

[Binatog13]

Hum.

Reading soon.

Also BM, I like the enthusiasm but you really can't read me for proactivity on the first page lmao. Fair warning that I'll likely be far more chill this game because I'm kinda busy irl and on the site.

It's okay, although we want your friendly presence in this game like you would do in previous games. We also want to have this game for fun, and there is no RQS unlike my first game. Take your time.

[Enchant]

While i agree with reading, i wish to ask.

What Battle Mage meta?

[Binatog13]

While i agree with reading, i wish to ask.

What Battle Mage meta?

That is something that I don't know, as I never played with them and this is only my second game in history.

[Maduisha]

ggaifam, who failed to pick up their role PM, is being replaced by Maduisha.

Hello Maduisha, how do you do

I'm alright, I guess.

Hello, guys! I'm here to replace the afk guy. I haven't played in months, and it's my first time replacing a slot instead of playing form the game's opening. Thankfully the game is only 5 pages long, so I have caught up already. I'm not exactly sure what to think, because my RVS-derived reads usually suck. By that I mean that I don't exactly buy Emperor's defense or BM's accusation, but rather I'm interested on the interaction between those two. As scum, I usually am a big fan of fighting my scum buddy early in the game so people read the conflict as at least one of the two being town, but it's hard to feign a convincing interaction. I am not exactly sure if these two players are capable of feigning a discussion, so I'd prefer to see how stuff moves between them through D1 to really determine a read on any of them.

I have not played with any of you, so if I misgender any of you/confuse some of the people that have no profile picture (my small brain mixes stuff up like that a lot, lol).

[Maduisha]

About eliminating someone through votes: I prefer that to be the case instead of voting not to eliminate anyone. I'm on the side that thinks eliminating a player can bring information both if they're town or scum, based on the interactions of that player with the people that accused them/defended them.

I like that BM is enthusiastic about his reads as well, because nothing is more boring than a game that doesn't move, but I would like to explore other players too, in case scum can coast through a town player being accused. As such, I would like RLotus to come over and talk a bit more to get more perspectives out there. And I'll try to be here often so we can get some conversation going, too!

[Battle Mage]

ggaifam, who failed to pick up their role PM, is being replaced by Maduisha.

Hello Maduisha, how do you do

I'm alright, I guess.

Hello, guys! I'm here to replace the afk guy. I haven't played in months, and it's my first time replacing a slot instead of playing form the game's opening. Thankfully the game is only 5 pages long, so I have caught up already. I'm not exactly sure what to think, because my RVS-derived reads usually suck. By that I mean that I don't exactly buy Emperor's defense or BM's accusation, but rather I'm interested on the interaction between those two. As scum, I usually am a big fan of fighting my scum buddy early in the game so people read the conflict as at least one of the two being town, but it's hard to feign a convincing interaction. I am not exactly sure if these two players are capable of feigning a discussion, so I'd prefer to see how stuff moves between them through D1 to really determine a read on any of them.

I have not played with any of you, so if I misgender any of you/confuse some of the people that have no profile picture (my small brain mixes stuff up like that a lot, lol).

can you explain how you "don't exactly buy Emperor's defense or BM's accusation"? Like, whatever our alignments (taking your point Emp and I could both be scum), one of us is right, and the other is wrong. So I'm not mad about an opening post which doesn't take a position on that.

As far as I'm concerned, and I have in fact said this, there isn't a BM vs Emperor thing here. There's a bunch of scummy behaviour from Emperor which I eagerly called out - my hypothesis was that others would have done the same in my position. That hypothesis was been borne out to some extent, although less than anticipated.

[Battle Mage]

haha it's a newbie game, but I have enough confidence in EVERYONE in this playerlist to elim you here. irrelevant whether I'm a 'leader' or not. I was just the guy here to call you out.

No?

Actually, i like your idea with catching scum on quickvotes, but i don't clearly understand why you started accuse him.

Mafia probably would not care about someone who put on E-1, even more hope someone will do dirty work.

also if i was scum why wouldn't i just chill & let it sit there? i wasnt the one who put them at p1 so if they got hammered none of the blame would of gone to me, so why would scum!me unvote? doesn't make sense

also this jars a bit. Enchant and Emp making exactly the same defence on behalf of Emp, but not acknowledging each other, and of course the defence doesn't hold water as I noted above.

Dang, maybe it is. maybe it is.

well i like that im being defended, i didn't feel the need to acknowledge that so yeah.

sounds like you've got a bit of a vulnerability here - do you think it's possible that those defending you could be scum?

It is possible that they are mafia buddies, or mason-mason townies. But we don't know for 9, as we have 9 possible role lists, but we have one common knowledge that there at least 5 VT and 1 mafia goon.

true, although my point was more that, if Emp was town, wouldn't he be mindful of Enchant white-knighting him? maybe Emp-town has a blindspot, or maybe it's just Emp-scum who is only really focussed on self-preservation.

Did anyone else spot that after I called him out for not engaging with Enchant, he picked a pretty bland Enchant post to respond to, with a similarly un-exciting answer? (see post 102). Not only that, but the response didn't really marry up with the original post. Enchant was arguing that scum may not have been on their wagon, and Emp 'agrees' by saying the opposite - that scum probably were on their wagon.

[Battle Mage]

Enchant and Emp making exactly the same defence on behalf of Emp, but not acknowledging each other, and of course the defence doesn't hold water as I noted above.

That is not something I noticed to be honest it does seem too coordinated to be a coincidence

Yes, this is link.

It's called "Common Sense".

no, because you were both wrong. And I struggle with the idea that 2 town players both reached the same bold and incorrect conclusion whilst failing to acknowledge each other. I don't buy the newbie defence because Emp is an SE.

[Enchant]

Aren't information, gained by PR are more vital?