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[PlusJOYED]

@dunn so assuming noraa or andres is one of the scum, who do you think the third scum is? What's your solve?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flavor, I still want you to quantify the odds that Noraa is Town here.

I'm like 65% scum 35% town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Either way, no way I vote anyone else today. Noraa slot is a slot I want flipped because she's in the POE, and I think she's super distracting and allowing town to hide if she is town, so there's no downside. I want to go through the POE right now anyways.

Noraa is discrediting/shading anyone who scum reads her, when there are actual reasons for people to scum read her. If she is town, that doesn't mean the reasons aren't there, and it's not up to others to magically know.

I can't tell which, and parts of her AtE work, and make me think she could be coming from town, but at the end of the day, she's doing nothing but discrediting and shading. She's in the POE, I think she's the best fade today.

I thought she was the best fade yesterday, and even in hindsight, I still do.

Nora fade, Nopoint Vig shot was the right play.

Now we can fade Nora, and then vig Geraint. My most likely team theories are Noraa/Insaneo or Andres/Geraint right now, and I will always go Noraa over Andres here, if only because I'm willing to give Andres the benefit of the doubt over Noraa based on my experiences with both of them, and who I think is more likely, if town, to assist the game.

[geraintm]

So, my thoughts on noraa.
I am trying to work out why someone would want to eliminate me.

I am VT and contributing very little to the game moving forwards because I have so little info. I tried day 2 looking at votes, but my reads got derailes by claims and I backed off.

So why would someone be pushing me so hard.

If they are scum, do they see me as a placeholder elimination, just getting rid of me to let time pass so they can go after power rolls at night. Or do scum think they can't push onto an actual power role and so land on me by default.

If they are town....I dont know. Clearly something about my play in this game has triggered them amd not sure why.
I dont think they are ever going to let me go though

[Dunnstral]

Where are we on mass claim?

[geraintm]

Where are we on mass claim?

I went, probably out of order but I wasn't sure of my access and didn't want to hold anything up.
Am VT.

[Dunnstral]

@dunn so assuming noraa or andres is one of the scum, who do you think the third scum is? What's your solve?

One step at a time please

I just want to get all the claims out

I don't think it's Unwnd or Insaneo

[Dunnstral]

Our gameplan:
9 people alive today' insaneo protects plusjoyed. We lim and shoot and mafia shoots, and we're at 6 tomorrow. With plus alive we repeat and go to 3 alive

So protecting plusjoyed tonight is important because we get 4 town kills, 2 mafia kills. But is plus dies we have 3 town kills 3 mafia kills

[Andresvmb]

I am VT.

@Noraa, Insano, your turn.

[Andresvmb]

Sorry, Insano already claimed Bodyguard. I meant Unwnd.

[Andresvmb]

Our gameplan:
9 people alive today' insaneo protects plusjoyed. We lim and shoot and mafia shoots, and we're at 6 tomorrow. With plus alive we repeat and go to 3 alive

So protecting plusjoyed tonight is important because we get 4 town kills, 2 mafia kills. But is plus dies we have 3 town kills 3 mafia kills

We won’t get that far unless we hit Scum. But yes the plan should be to protect plus tonight. That’s the only part that should be completely fixed.

[Noraa]

Insano protects Plusjoyed tonight.

[Noraa]

Any other protectives claim vt and just protect plus tonight is my opinion.

[Noraa]

Btw, I have an opinion that is super controversial but it could be right. I thought about the game quite a lot last night and my solve's changed again.

In the poe, I am confident insano is town. This is not going to change again I don't think.

The other three are mashing around in my head and the solve's pretty constantly changing.

Currently am thinking geraint/unwnd

I'm very concerned by unwnd's lack of prescence and lack of wking me. I don't have that much experience with unwnd but I do think that town!unwnd is not afraid at all to hard WK me which they have done before. And I'm not seeing it here. That other game was a similar situation where I also repped in and unwnd immediately was like "This is town" and brushed away all the SRs on me. Unwnd does seem to think I'm town here but its all fuzzy and I feel this kinda hesitance to stand out for me.

[Noraa]

I claim vt.

[Noraa]

Noraa I think right now you are town

Is this right?

Scum noraa leaves the room with a bunch of unanswered questions and exaggerated stances that she can use in order to hop on bad wagons if nobody is paying attention. I didn't see her trying to force credibility through happy bubbly personality and I don't think she's grown enough as a player yet to establish nuance

She's very attuned to her emotions, but the inquisitive and curious aspect of her shines more when she's town. I think she has a hard time of faking that as scum, so she hardly gets there and make de-facto reads

[unwnd]

I think you're town Noraa but based on how I've observed your behavior both in this game and Large Normal, your reads are largely dependent on positive/negative reinforcement, being that people who townread you are locktown and people who scumread you are either bad/scum/misreading/meta/meta. Even your recent post reflects this, where you question your read on me just because I haven't said anything about your Andres fight, when I made it clear that I think it's overwrought and not very productive. If you find yourself in a position where you feel like you're not being heard, the best option is not to necessarily continue stubbornly and throw a fit, it's instead to consider if the things you're saying hold merit. I haven't really been able to get much out of your battle because the way I look at is 'well, Noraa is feeling attacked so she's going to interpret every single action a person makes as scummy and that's not gonna lead me anywhere.' It's fine to be confident, but confident isn't blind faith and just assuming you're always right. I told you this before and that's where I stand.

[unwnd]

I'm also VT by the way

[PlusJOYED]

Now we can fade Nora, and then vig Geraint.

i like this plan

[Noraa]

But how do I get hear when whenever I try to voice an opinion, someone stomps on it?

[Noraa]

*heard

[Noraa]

sure my opinions might be wrong and OMGUS-y but enough time and space will get me out of those tunnels. If each post of mine gets squished and squashed however, how am I supposed to do anything?

[unwnd]

I'm not stomping on it, I consider your perspective but I have to also consider the intent behind your posts as well

People aren't robots, you should practice a bit of empathy and consideration

[unwnd]

Now we can fade Nora, and then vig Geraint. My most likely team theories are Noraa/Insaneo or Andres/Geraint right now, and I will always go Noraa over Andres here, if only because I'm willing to give Andres the benefit of the doubt over Noraa based on my experiences with both of them, and who I think is more likely, if town, to assist the game.

I can't see Noraa/Insano at all just based on the way the game has progressed and how Insano has treated her, why do you think this?

[PlusJOYED]

In the poe, I am confident insano is town. This is not going to change again I don't think.

The other three are mashing around in my head and the solve's pretty constantly changing.

Currently am thinking geraint/unwnd

Hmm, I think in a scum!noraa world, which I think we are in, if andres was the third and she knows she's going down she tunnels him until death to support the couple people (me, FL) who think Andres is town if Noraa flips red. This switch up makes me think from Scum!noraa pov she wants to try and keep andres in the poe by now distancing herself.
Or it could be that she realizes town will elim her over andres and is trying to get a lease on life as town. But I think it's the former and this implicates town andres.