this is pretty speculative but nopoint saying "maf don't want to stall they want to elim townies" felt genuine to me. I think nopoint was annoyed as maf that he didnt get a mislim. This makes me think that he probably talked in maf chat about his frustration n1 and got some sort of resonance with maf. He'd probably want to push inactive maf slots to join a wagon otherwise. To me the other person most frusterated with inactivity day 1 was uwnd, so this kind of implicates him to me but the idea is a bit of a stretch.
uwnd's suggestion really pinged me. since uwnd knew I'd very likely shoot between gera and uwnd after noraa elim, he was very survivalistic for a VT suggesting that we elim gera and have me choose between andres and noraa: too much self-preservation for a VT imo.
therefore, my solve is nopoint/noraa/uwnd.
lol
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I don't think your solve makes sense from your perspective, Noraa is sitting at E-2(?) and I just make myself look like a goddamn fool if she flips scum. I'm willing to be a fool regardless and don't think Noraa is being dishonest in her discourse towards me nor the way she responded to my wall.
In post 2126, unwnd wrote:I don't think your solve makes sense from your perspective, Noraa is sitting at E-2(?) and I just make myself look like a goddamn fool if she flips scum. I'm willing to be a fool regardless and don't think Noraa is being dishonest in her discourse towards me nor the way she responded to my wall.
I think you are too soft towards emotional players. Noraa plays emotionally. As either alignment. And you’re giving that a pass and ignoring the obviously Scummy things that have happened with the slot.
Just in case you want to know where that’s coming from. I sat down and read a few ISO’s of Noraa as both Scum and Town. I found other instances where players criticize her for being reactive, emotional, and prone to tunneling.
It’s also why I understand Flavor’s hesitance to call this 90% Scum. Hell, if I was behaving the same way, it’s probably because I’m Scum. But what’s pinging me the most is the insistence. It’s like there was a plan to try and push momentum against me. When it didn’t work, that’s when you see a change. It’s not a natural read progression. It’s not maybe you’re right about this or that, and yeah I might have seen that the wrong way. It’s like a flip switched, and I’m no longer the push.
In post 2129, Andresvmb wrote:Just in case you want to know where that’s coming from. I sat down and read a few ISO’s of Noraa as both Scum and Town. I found other instances where players criticize her for being reactive, emotional, and prone to tunneling.
you expect me to believe this after you couldn't even figure out bm wasn't a cop in one game that you "read"
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That made me laugh, not in a 'haha you're wrong way' more like 'haha you got me figured me out'. I try to see the objectivity in games but as I said before, people aren't robots. I'm very attuned to emotions and believe that while we tell ourselves yes, this is a game, our emotions lead on more then we want them to. Is it not true that you got upset/annoyed at Noraa earlier? We're not in a room together and I can't see your face. I'm sure as you were typing towards Noraa it was mostly a blank expression but inside you let your contempt take the form of your words. This is basically me saying as objective as I want to be, I still see the tonal exchanges and put them in consideration.
In post 2129, Andresvmb wrote:Just in case you want to know where that’s coming from. I sat down and read a few ISO’s of Noraa as both Scum and Town. I found other instances where players criticize her for being reactive, emotional, and prone to tunneling.
you expect me to believe this after you couldn't even figure out bm wasn't a cop in one game that you "read"
Noraa if you don’t want me to interact with you, then you shouldn’t directly address me and quote my posts.
You don’t have to believe me. I can just direct you to the posts.
In post 2131, unwnd wrote:That made me laugh, not in a 'haha you're wrong way' more like 'haha you got me figured me out'. I try to see the objectivity in games but as I said before, people aren't robots. I'm very attuned to emotions and believe that while we tell ourselves yes, this is a game, our emotions lead on more then we want them to. Is it not true that you got upset/annoyed at Noraa earlier? We're not in a room together and I can't see your face. I'm sure as you were typing towards Noraa it was mostly a blank expression but inside you let your contempt take the form of your words. This is basically me saying as objective as I want to be, I still see the tonal exchanges and put them in consideration.
Yes, I was annoyed. But I really shouldn’t. I mean if Noraa is actually Scum, then what she’s doing meets the win criteria I guess and is somewhat valid. I get more upset at the disrespect, and this implied idea that filters through a lot of Noraa’s posts that no one else can make valid points, or that she can never be wrong.
In post 2131, unwnd wrote:That made me laugh, not in a 'haha you're wrong way' more like 'haha you got me figured me out'. I try to see the objectivity in games but as I said before, people aren't robots. I'm very attuned to emotions and believe that while we tell ourselves yes, this is a game, our emotions lead on more then we want them to. Is it not true that you got upset/annoyed at Noraa earlier? We're not in a room together and I can't see your face. I'm sure as you were typing towards Noraa it was mostly a blank expression but inside you let your contempt take the form of your words. This is basically me saying as objective as I want to be, I still see the tonal exchanges and put them in consideration.
Yes, I was annoyed. But I really shouldn’t. I mean if Noraa is actually Scum, then what she’s doing meets the win criteria I guess and is somewhat valid. I get more upset at the disrespect, and this implied idea that filters through a lot of Noraa’s posts that no one else can make valid points, or that she can never be wrong.
lol and you like flavor. that's funny.
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In post 2131, unwnd wrote:That made me laugh, not in a 'haha you're wrong way' more like 'haha you got me figured me out'. I try to see the objectivity in games but as I said before, people aren't robots. I'm very attuned to emotions and believe that while we tell ourselves yes, this is a game, our emotions lead on more then we want them to. Is it not true that you got upset/annoyed at Noraa earlier? We're not in a room together and I can't see your face. I'm sure as you were typing towards Noraa it was mostly a blank expression but inside you let your contempt take the form of your words. This is basically me saying as objective as I want to be, I still see the tonal exchanges and put them in consideration.
Yes, I was annoyed. But I really shouldn’t. I mean if Noraa is actually Scum, then what she’s doing meets the win criteria I guess and is somewhat valid. I get more upset at the disrespect, and this implied idea that filters through a lot of Noraa’s posts that no one else can make valid points, or that she can never be wrong.
lol and you like flavor. that's funny.
Did I or did I not call out Flavor for the way they were interacting with you in your exchange?
In post 2132, Andresvmb wrote:And in on the games you were Town that I looked through, The Golden Paradox made fun of you for tunneling other Town players (you were Town).
what's ur point huh? trying to tell me I'm tunneling town?
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In post 2132, Andresvmb wrote:And in on the games you were Town that I looked through, The Golden Paradox made fun of you for tunneling other Town players (you were Town).
what's ur point huh? trying to tell me I'm tunneling town?
I’m not trying to tell you anything. You are tunneling Town. Whether you’re doing it as Town or Scum I don’t know for sure.
In post 2140, Noraa wrote:One last time, STOP USING MY META
YOU SUCK AT READING GAMES
I don't care if you think ur a meta expert if ur town. UR NOT.
Did I ever claim to be an expert? Or even good at the game?
What I was looking for is some validation from other players that I’m not insane. That the same way I’m perceiving your game play here somebody else spotted in another game. I don’t think meta is tremendously useful to figure out alignment unless you’ve played with someone like multiple, multiple times and you really can pick up on their idiosyncrasies. I am by no means claiming that I can. What I am claiming is that your statement, that you aren’t abrasive or combative as Scum, is clearly not true because others in games you were Scum have called you out on it. Whether they were right or wrong, or the behavior is the same across games, I can’t really know.
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
@Mod I’ve held my tongue a lot but I am not really deserving of some of these reactions by Noraa. I haven’t been unfair, or particularly aggressive, and I’m being attacked in ways that I think go a little beyond the game.
I have a thick skin so I don’t really care, but it’s beginning to sour this experience and making it hard to play.
