revO emaG - TENET

[Dandelion Wine]

Made it home.

Peta, is there any chance that there's just one left here because it was 4-2 and annie was the deepwolf? I put those odds at like negative five trillion but just throwing the thought into the void.

[Dandelion Wine]

I mean I guess you other nerds can answer too.

[petapan]

Made it home.

Peta, is there any chance that there's just one left here because it was 4-2 and annie was the deepwolf? I put those odds at like negative five trillion but just throwing the thought into the void.

based on how they entered the other thread probably not but i haven't really kept up

i'm kind of feeling like it's in sb9/lld/skitter/firebringer as a pure outside shot but less likely than the others, i should check what annie was up to on day 2 i guess

[skitter30]

Thanks ss, i appreciate that. I see what u mean but i kinda largely feel he can make those posts as scum?

And i still think there's a decent chance of scum-annie so

[Dandelion Wine]

Thanks ss, i appreciate that. I see what u mean but i kinda largely feel he can make those posts as scum?

And i still think there's a decent chance of scum-annie so

I'm not discounting it 100% but I am very skeptical.

Do you have an existing case to quote or would you be as kind as to throw one together?

[petapan]

wow annie's day 2 kinda blows

[skitter30]

midwaybear (0) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, Flavor Leaf, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Something_Smart, Firebringer, upside down sinkhole, Annie Edison, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, Petapan

(expired on 2020-12-27 19:39:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

skitter30 has perpetual V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays

Spoiler: Turnstile
Turnstile Votecount 7.09
Annie Edison (7) - superbowl9, GFITAC, midwaybear, Something_Smart, upside down sinkhole, LadyLambdadelta

People on the turnstile vote: myself, dandelion, deacon, fire, fl, peta, annie

(This isnt the proper order)

If annie were scum i would imagine scum would be on there given the context

I'm town, fl is town, and i'm townreading dandelion and deacon, leaving peta and fire as potential partners on there.

Well that's a timely conclusion

Pedit well nothing really changed from way back when when i was scumreading them 200 pages ago, but i can rewrite it up a little later if you like

[Dandelion Wine]

wow annie's day 2 kinda blows

Yes.... which is why I don't discount it entirely. It's hard to let go of the day one, though.

[Dandelion Wine]

if you like

Yes, please.

[skitter30]

k a bit later then

[petapan]

i'm in the "what have you done for me lately" school of thinking and if he's going to AtE me about newbie 2033 he needs to not coast and so far i'm seeing basically nothing from them in this iso

and then the whole thing about the scum PTs being separate starts to make me paranoid of the killer solving their own crime or whatever

[petapan]

it's so cool that i'm being performatively town now that the other thread is locked and more people are likely to be watching me haha

[petapan]

i think attempting to do wagonomics on turnstile votes is fuckin dumb btw


i got to the end of annies day 2 content and its not good, pushback on muffin in oparticular with the "you should be able to read me better than this" i didnt like. idk tho might depend a lot on sb9 and i want to flip him a lot right now

[Dandelion Wine]

I checked, it takes two to tango on the button in the Purple Room.

If we send a corpse Spiffeh is stuck in forwards and won't get to activate whatever he's been asking to be turnstyled for.

[petapan]

sad but right now he's the scummiest person in this timeline? i guess we can still just swing at a lurker today for the sake of mechanics but blahhh

[Dandelion Wine]

Well I mean if you think he's scum then spiffeh should NOT press the button and hopefully here's watching this thread. The swap happens BEFORE the final N2 "thread clear" check, is my understanding.

[petapan]

i think there's a very strong possibility he's scum yeah

i thought i saw a ffery post that looked town and then i scrolled back and couldn't find it. it's fine but i'd be hard pressed to string together a coherent summary there, nothing screams bleedingly town, nothing especially scummy though, if lld is town she's seeing something i don't but that's to be expected. meh.

rapidly losing will for this

[Dandelion Wine]

i thought i saw a ffery post that looked town and then i scrolled back and couldn't find it. it's fine but i'd be hard pressed to string together a coherent summary there, nothing screams bleedingly town, nothing especially scummy though, if lld is town she's seeing something i don't but that's to be expected. meh.

Just sheep me and accept she has the traditional morph d3 pass, and earned it?

[petapan]

i mean there was no chance i was unvoting there anyway i just wanted to get a more complete game view and didn't

[skitter30]

ok a lot of this is gonna be abt me, but that's what i initialy formed the read off of so eh. but here we go, spoiler wall:

Spoiler:

Brian town. We’re syncing pretty well.

the timing of this was p suspect, as i mentioned at the time - it came literally minutes after brian announced a townread on annie. this, to me, looked(s) like buddying brian; if annie is scum i dont' think brian is

Skitter you understand Brian started the buddying between our slots before me lol

But I pinged bulge

(i remember checking the timing upon this post as well, and iirc brian literally mentioned them like twice before this in a non-ai fashion, so this was also like ... not true)

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skitter are you expecting to be turnstiled first?

you're putting energy into the other thread as if you expect to be spending some time there sooner rather than later.

i still hate this line of questioning, and in retrospect, it looks like fishing. it's implying that i'm scummy for wanting to be turnstiled, but the reasoning for *why* that's a scummy desire is not explained. i later called these posts random shade, because the tone is negative, but he's utterly failing to explain *why* it's scummy of me for wanting this

continuing on that theme: 385, which i utterly hate, and could not get the bulge to elaborate upon, and that's when i started tunneling. he's once again objecting to me having more reads over there than here, but fails to explain why that's an issue or scummy. the last line i particularly hate: 'remove all that from your iso and it's all mechtalk'. or, in other words, he's basically saying: 'if we remove all of your content you have no content, and i take issue with you not having any content', which makes ... exactly no sense? obviously if you remove my reads i won't have any content left, but he's trying to negate most of the content i had at the time and then complaining i don't have any. i have a really, really hard time seeing that as a real thought, or as anything but shade, and despite trying to get clarification i was dodged multiple times there.

this is where i starting making a whole big thing abt annie; i believe the bulge wrote these posts and i actively tried over the next day or so (i don't remember the exact timeline) to get him to followup on this, but he ignored/avoided me multiple times (i'm not gonna quote proof for this but you are free to verify this for yourself by control-f'ing 'the bulge' in my iso)

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and here is my original case on them, as the wagon was rising, for reference:

Also I am going through your ISO and I can't really figure out what you're actually scumreading annie for

@skitter

oh this i'm pretty sure i said:
-> i'm p sure their observation last night abt me having more reads in the other thread was throwaway shade than anything else, and given that i can't really get an elaboration on tha,t until i do i'm assumign that's what it is. it doesn't feel like a real thought that actually lead to a scumread, although they were *acting* like it should be a reason to scumread me even though as best as i can tell they haven't actually made a connection between 'more reads onpeople in the other thread' and 'scumread', nor have they explained why my doing that is more egregious than ... literally anybody else who's done that. i'm not gonna drop it till they elaborate because it felt more like shade than anything else

-> buddying brian (already explained this one)

-> and just a lot of post are pinging me all around

-> they're also acting like they have more townreads than they actually do, feels like they're trying to project confidence and an air of gravitas (this one is new, don't think i elaborated on this one yet )

examples of the last point: 874, 683, 670

iirc he had like three people townreading him at this point ...

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to elaborate on the last point in the above post: consistently as his wagon was rising, he kept trying to shade the people pushing it the strongest (me (who i don't think he actually ever articulated a scumread on beyond 'my push on his wagon was terrible' and norra (who flipped town)). he just kept loudly and loudly complaining that his wagon was awful, but there wasn't really any solving for *who the scum were pushing the wagon* again, besides for me (who i think we mostly think is town now?) and noraa (flipped town), who were incidentally also the loudest two people wanting him dead at the time. it's stupidly survivalistic

he also kept trying to project town and make himself look like a much, much more universal townread than he actually was at the time.

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aside he kept saying he wanted to be turnstiled so that he could purple room with deacon n2 and that kinda fizzled out and nothing much came of it ...
(and from the perspective of: town is trying to clear the forwards thread of scum, scum!annie trying to get over makes a lot of sense ...)

related:

Subject: TENET - Day 2

Yes we had my entire team send me over so I could be a mafia goon on this side instead, you got me.

and quite a lot of his content is abt actualizng this plan (i.e. utilizing the turnstile), as opposed to just liming scum (which he isn't giving much thought to at all). and like after the a50 turnstile his content is just ... very meh

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whooo other timeline (man iso-ing people is a pain ...)
(and tbf i spend less time concentrating over there as i have my own massive game to work on here, so like my grasp of the context around specific posts over there is less strong)


Subject: TENET - Day 2

Okay Nacho.

Who does the other side need to elim then.

Subject: TENET - Day 2

@ffery- she’s town, and I’m a piece of Shit.

I’ll figure out where to go from here.

just dropping noraa scum upon imperium coming out as ic and defending her is eehhhhhhhhh kinda icky

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progression on shelly wasn't great - he was defendign her for a while and then hopped on as she kept digging her own hole deeper. not impossible to come from town but i didn't really like it

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Subject: TENET - Day 2

They think Pooky went over and hard shoved flavor as a counterwagon to skitter rn

i also called this out at the time: this, as a narrative, doesn't actually work because the timeline was completely off - if pooky wanted to come over to like save me (which i probably wouldn't let happen, anyways), he would have done it the day before (irl) than he actually did, when i was at e-1, not the next day, when i was at e-5 and most of pressure had dissipated

like three different slots started saying this after he started saying that

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Subject: TENET - Day 2

Dunn and Titus are town. You can remove them from your pool.

Over there take Cabd and Ffery town to the bank. Skitters claim is sketchy, I don’t like Pooky suddenly engaging over there when he did nothing over here. Peta is town. Superb I think is town (but off a cliff). I should have more but I’m watching tenet rn so I’m not spending too much effort

Subject: TENET - Day 2

Let’s get this turnstile knocked out guys.

I’m currently at-

Won’t touch-
Titus
Dunn
Brian
Gypyx

Hesitate to-
Spiffeh
Bell

Meh-
Muffin
A50
Hench

Tiers aren’t in order

just noting because i'm repeatedly seeing a *very* strong townread on titus, and i think he ends up on her at eod

Subject: TENET - Day 2

VOTE: titus

For the time being

and he did! with no progression either!

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i was gonna say that i disliked his bell progression around the claim thing but i think it was two different heads talking so eh

ok you get max one of those per dayphase because that took a nice long while
obviously my vibes for things that happened here are a lot stronger

[skitter30]

i think attempting to do wagonomics on turnstile votes is fuckin dumb btw

wrt the final vote for turnstile, i disagree

[Dandelion Wine]

Fuck that case has legitimate points I can nod at. I was really hoping I'd be like "good case brah but nah" :/

Ffery, I think the day three meltdown is about to blow up a day early.

[skitter30]

and the core of the case is things from 200 pages ago that i tried to get him wagoned for the first time around, but ya know

[skitter30]

and can you imagine i used to be a wallposter and posted like that all the time, who ever would have guessed

[Dandelion Wine]

i think attempting to do wagonomics on

turnstile

votes is fuckin dumb btw

-ceph