Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.15

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Radja [2]:

Not_Mafia, Horsewoman

Horsewoman [2]:

clidd, Gimli son of Glóin

Lostego [1]:

Ahsoka

Ahsoka [1]:

Radja

clidd [1]:

DkKoba

Not_Mafia [1]:

Lostego

Not Voting [1]:

Raya36

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[Raya36]

Post 660 great post, really genuine and plausible explanation for thought and reasoning progression. Very greenposting.

Kinda suspicious of this being pocketing

fwiw i think horsewoman and gimli are same alignment. either they're both scum or both town. if the list were to confirm one cant be scum, the other cant be either IMO.

What makes you say they are the same alignment?

people who aren't koba: is koba actually just like this? people who know him are like, null?

This is typical Koba. I'm still a little worried about the change in pace after their playstyle being pointed out but outside of that everything seems normal.

[Raya36]

Gonna attempt to sort some of my unsorted players. Sorry for the long post.

NM:
Not much to take from his posts. I do find the Radja fixation weird. I know typical NM won't explain any reads D1 so it's pretty tough to follow any progression but there appears to be none on this read. Also don't like the Radja/Gimli/Horse solve. I haven't sorted Radja yet but the other two appear town to me. NM is still null, leaning scum if anything (although this is in part due to PoE, not just the few concerns mentions).

Radja:
Not much here from Radja either. His 251 is alright, however vague. It was early in the game though. I don't really agree with his points on Koba being scummy just because I know Koba would do that as town, but the analysis still seems fine without maybe knowing Koba super well. I still think voting for someone in the idkpool was a good play. I feel like scum would be more conscious of their vote needing to make perfect sense. As well as this scum want to focus on a miselim, not sort their nulls. I wish more came of it though to back this up. It's difficult for me to analyze the post about me since it's just describing why he thought I was town but the reasons he posted made sense and were things I did in fact do. A couple of things there I could have easily done regardless of my alignment but he still makes a point of something that would be harder for me to have done as scum which shows a scumhunting attitude rather than just making up reads. Radja seems fine to me as a light townread. He hasn't done anything substantial but nothing pinged me as scummy either.

Lostego:
I don't remember having strong impression of volxen so I'll just focus on Lostego here. The first thing I noticed in his iso is his reads are very tonal based. "overly simulated", "condescending". Nothing wrong with this as early reads which is what they are. Just taking note of this in case it continues. Those are very easy reads for scum to make to avoid having to actually fake scumhunting and analysis. 399, what was the point in telling NM they can join the scumpool if they unvote radja by p16? If you genuinely think that NM and radja could be partners then why very clearly tell NM what to do to avoid your suspicions. I just don't see the purpose of posting that. I do like the sort of reanalysis being initiated in 407. It could be faked of course but it shows that there is thought going into his reads. I don't quite get the thought of radja being consensus? Maybe I just wasn't paying attention but I never got the impression he was consensus at any point? I do like the sudden reevaluation of radja thought instead of potentially just pushing for a miselim. The NM vote was bad and encouraging a wagon there was bad, I already explained why. I am assuming lostego is familiar with NM. I really like what he said about gimli and horsewomen in his most recent post. I don't completely agree as I explained already but it does show a deeper level of analysis which is especially better than what I was concerned with in his early iso. Overall I'm not super happy with Lostego's iso. It's not bad enough to call him scum but he's certainly not in my town/townlean pools.

Ahsoka:
Their first few posts were all mechanics or fluff which is NAI to me. 147 is a good take but not AI. I thought at first they might have been a bit overdefensive about not having reads but it seems to be more just their normal tone/playstyle so I no longer think this is the case. In the clidd/Ahsoka interaction I found myself taking Ahsoka's side my first read through which you can see a bit of in my discussion with clidd around then. If this hypothetically was a TvS situation I believe Ahsoka would be the town. I also agree with the points made against clidd during that interaction. The concern of horsewoman pocketing seemed town to me as it shows a natural suspicion town should have when being praised etc. This could just be how horsewoman expresses their points though as I just felt the same way from her in my last catchup. (Kind of unrelated to Ahsoka but seeing that just made me realize that). 366 was a good take as well. More good-play-indicative than town-indicative though. I'm having a hard time reading the bulk of the Koba/Ahsoka interaction. I may come back to it another time. I'm interested to hear more of the Koba/me pairing they mentioned recently. Ahsoka gets a town read.

New list: (all in order of strength)
Town: Gimli, Ahsoka
Townlean: Horse, Radja
Null: NM, Koba
Scumlean: Lostego
Scum: Clidd

Moving here for a bit
VOTE: Lostego

[Ahsoka]

I always have what appears to be fluff in beginning of games to the naked eye.

[Raya36]

That's reasonable. I was quite fluffy at the start of this game as well as many others. What do you mean by to the naked eye? Is there some hidden meaning I missed?

[Lostego]

all i have to say raya and to some extent gimil that what youre reading of me is too. i must come clean and say that i barely read what i missed. tonal introspection and just feeling the gamestate is almost always the first stance i will take on replacement.

[Lostego]

gimil was able to able to call my bluff however and noted that not everyone was just consensus on radja. this was not a play or anything ridiculous like that, i just let myself get thoughts out when they come to see how the playing field were respond even if its not very researched. his reconsideration of horsewoman makes me feel more pleasant about him however, because i agree with the conclusions he's made and i always was interested in sorting the two of them.

what i am paying attention though is koba's newfound restraint and n_m's blind confidence. i will not simply say that n_m is excused for being n_m because in off chance that he flips scum i imagine he will just take the ball and roll with it. you can apply the same argument to flavor leaf as well. do i think that ahsoka/n_m are prime suspects merely because their reactivity to the thread is less? no, but i do think it's somewhat telling.

[Lostego]

clidd i want you to try and refrain from just posting games that im not gonna read as a means of comparison. i want to compare what you're doing now, and the last time we talked you said you lead with conjecture to reach conclusions. this is fine, but the problem that remains is where your conclusions are leading you and what purpose you have behind them. i cannot figure this out right now and its becoming a minor issue, so try and condense all your speculation into one post that affirms to me that youre actually thinking about the events you perceive instead of just writing tall stories.

let koba slank for a bit. i dont want to be shut down on n_m because he will eventually need to be sorted and there are no PRs to do this.

[Raya36]

all i have to say raya and to some extent gimil that what youre reading of me is too. i must come clean and say that i barely read what i missed. tonal introspection and just feeling the gamestate is almost always the first stance i will take on replacement.

That explains the tonal reads at least. I still stand by the rest of my read on you though.

gimil was able to able to call my bluff however and noted that not everyone was just consensus on radja. this was not a play or anything ridiculous like that, i just let myself get thoughts out when they come to see how the playing field were respond even if its not very researched. his reconsideration of horsewoman makes me feel more pleasant about him however, because i agree with the conclusions he's made and i always was interested in sorting the two of them.

what i am paying attention though is koba's newfound restraint and n_m's blind confidence. i will not simply say that n_m is excused for being n_m because in off chance that he flips scum i imagine he will just take the ball and roll with it. you can apply the same argument to flavor leaf as well. do i think that ahsoka/n_m are prime suspects merely because their reactivity to the thread is less? no, but i do think it's somewhat telling.

Even if that was not well researched the closest to consensus radja got to was 2 votes max if I recall correctly. Sure you didn't just want us to believe there was more consensus than true? I do remember there was some suspicion but not that many votes behind it so that lie is possible to pull off.
Ahsoka has felt fine to me in that sense however I do agree that NM's lower post count can be telling considering what his posts are. NM may be scum here but he's never really a good D1 target in my opinion. I'm not opposed to eliminating him but I'd much prefer trying to get a better read D2 when he should be more active, then making that call then.

[Ahsoka]

That's reasonable. I was quite fluffy at the start of this game as well as many others. What do you mean by to the naked eye? Is there some hidden meaning I missed?

Yes, but most people don't see its purpose of creating a stick in the gamestate for people to atmosphere around, and easing pressure when necessary, these ebbs and flow in the gamestate is the key to filtering out who scum is.

[DkKoba]

Someone mentioned slanking-i am intentionally slanking the thread so i dont just force conversation around me. I wanna see how ppl interact with other ppl. I'd especially like people like Ashoka to start pushing themselves into more sortable situations by taking some solid stances.

[Ahsoka]

I have taken solid stances. I've been bringing up my thoughts on who's town and where I think is scum.

Don't try and discredit. There's a fake gamefic out there like I haven't been sorting, but my reads are more out there than the majority of the playerlist.

[DkKoba]

I have taken solid stances. I've been bringing up my thoughts on who's town and where I think is scum.

Don't try and discredit. There's a fake gamefic out there like I haven't been sorting, but my reads are more out there than the majority of the playerlist.

i wasn't discrediting u, i genuinely just dont remember any sort of stance you have taken this game outside of "koba maybe scum with raya"

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Hullo! not much to catch up today so let's just get on with it.

Relax, Gimli. She said she will provide reads, so we can wait and evaluate the content, and yes, Dk playstyle is just like that.

Just so we're clear, my current scumread on horsewoman is based off my interpretation of #665 and not because I think horsewoman won't post her reads eventually. I don't like that she felt the need to promise work instead of doing it, but that's minimal in comparison with her thoughts on koba and, now that you and raya mentioned it, I also find her thoughts on raya in this and 666 to be quite troublesome. The townlean is fine of course, but the strength of it seems off somehow and in many directions.

Speaking of which, I'll post a theory I have but it's not worth to talk about it further because it's an associative read that's more likely wrong than not, but I think dkkoba and horsewoman have a decent chance of being scum together. koba's push on me for my horsewoman read might be the single most surprising behaviour they took this game, and once they decided to pivot from their tunnel koba said me and horsewoman have to have the same alignment. I thought this was very interesting given my more or less universal townread status, as it could be a play designed to help horsewoman go deep by hard associating her with me as her guarantor if you will. I've seen no actual reasoning to why I must have the same alignment as horsewoman instead of e.g. just being wrong about her being town, so I'm very suspicious about this line of reasoning.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I like raya's posts as towny thought processes quite a lot and I also liked lostego's entrances. I have nothing else to say about those and now I'm gonna let it rest.

[DkKoba]

theres something im unfortunately noticing here and I'm gonna keep it to myself but its somethign I really was hoping wasn't true. using this post as a soft for me having this thought process at this point in time.



fwiw i think horsewoman and gimli are same alignment. either they're both scum or both town. if the list were to confirm one cant be scum, the other cant be either IMO.

I sorta have 2 universes I'm playing with rn in my head??
idk if i even want to out it so scum can play around it with the list.

like 2 separate PoEs, and I guess I did slip it in my last post but 1 includes HW/Gimli and one excludes them

also if im like completely fucking wrong about the former being same alignment, its HW who is the scum in the 2.

gimli can u like read my posts fully instead of pretending like what I've said doesnt fit from ur PoV.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

the question is why you were thinking me and hw share the same alignment, unless 669 means you stopped thinking that.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

"if the list were to confirm one cant be scum, the other cant be either IMO." don't you think this deserves to be expanded upon? I have no idea how you came to this conclusion and your posts say nothing about what your reasoning is.

[DkKoba]

go nitpick someone else

[DkKoba]

im not expanding on any list related reads until theres a published list

[Datisi]

Prodding Not_Mafia.

[Datisi]

Replacing Horsewoman.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

VOTE: dkkoba

happy new year everyone

[DkKoba]

rent free

[DkKoba]

clidd dodging this thread icu !!!