So this will be a multi-part series of posts addressing several points of how I think VP has been playing from a scum perspective and with scum motivation. The first part deal with his dealings with Noraa and how they show inconsistency of behavior and drive to push bad reads for bad reasons.
I feel like VP has a slightly unfaithful representation of how he was reading Noraa in the endgame of MafiaSunny. VP says being snowed by Noraa would have been him town-blocking her, and when pressed on that said he misread her effort there as town-indicative. The problem with that is he kinda did townblock her, he in actuality said something along the lines of
"Noraa's solving is towny, Gamma's isn't showing solving so I think he is scum", which just seems like a shit way to play
in general
(due to the fact that her solving was forced, a point made evident in post-game, and I couldn't really solve to that same degree due to trying to maintain a job that I
BY THE WAY
ended up losing due to being on my phone during my shift because I kept checking a mafia game out of paranoia for how it was going, so I think at this point my position here is unimpeachable) and while not a point against him on its own, becomes a serious issue down the line. My issue is he seems to be trying to rewrite history in a way to make his treatment of Noraa this game reflect better on him.
Moving on to a point building on that issue, I do not think VP's read progression on Noraa makes sense for town. Early on, he decided to trust Noraa as town because of a deal she initiated in the PT, which seems a little haphazard when he had such a mistaken read on Noraa in MafiaSunny. The fact VP has been manipulating perception of that read makes this really bad imo, since he clearly feels he has to gloss up his perspective on this. Then, towards the middle-end period of the first challenge, VP starts to scumread Noraa for acting weird.
I have been adamant that is a horrible mindset to have. VP didn't bother to sort Noraa for this and instead hopped to scumreading her, which points to being scum who doesn't need to legitimately sort people. But something that took some time to dawn on me was how much this doesn't sync with his earlier approach to Noraa. He had made a deal to trust her at the beginning of the game. So he
absolutely
should have been conferring with her when he started getting weird vibes from her, but the degree to which he did that was just to ask "why did you post that?", which tbh I can understand Noraa getting defensive there because the way VP presented it looked like it was a loaded question where he'd already made up his mind on her (btw I don't buy
this assertion that VP wouldn't be transparent as scum). I think a town!VP would have kept an open mind and tried to legitmately confer but VP instead seems to have tried to put her on edge so her reaction could be pushed as scummy, without providing legitimate scum motive for it outside of
suggesting she was trying to get people off of me (last line of linked post), which makes little sense as that's trading one scum for another without really cleaning up the perception of the other scum. I don't think his mindset around Noraa reflects solving town, but scum who has used their private line to a townie to set them up to fall. This leads into my next concern.
When I initially tried to bring up my concerns over how VP was playing in regards to Noraa, he blew it way out of proportion and added in a squicky SJW spin. Nowhere did I make any indication my feelings about those interactions had to do with gender, the only thing I said was that
VP tried to take a hero-role for Noraa (which is evocative of some things, but not of what VP called me out for imo). Instead,
VP inserted a gender-based comment calling out a perceived dissonance in how me and Pooky were reading him
(which I don't think would be a scum-indicative dissonance anyway, I feel like I've seen countless cases of asserting two different concepts of someone's capabilities or position both in and out of mafia context. How do you think adults can assert someone is "just a child" and "a grown adult" otherwise? That sort of dissonance is common, and while it's nowhere near a good mindset you can't well call it scummy), and then further tries to drive the nail in
here. In addition, another thing he injected into our point against him that we never said was that he was trying to get Noraa to trust him all game. I never mentioned anything about the span of the pact iirc, once again it's something VP pulled out of his ass to spin a narrative against me.
What also stinks about this behavior is the fact me, and to a lesser degree Pooky, are the only ones it's been directed at, despite
notscience saying a similar thing, and honestly in a way that would seem
more
evocative of that kind of imagery VP tried to accuse me and Pooky of creating. And VP straight up tried to suggest he didn't treat me and notsci differently
when he definitively did
. Both VP and Cakez have made points like this, which suggests them as scum together, though that's a minor point until one of them does flip scum.
It's not a real concept in the original discussion, but one conjured by VP to paint me as the villain and/or unwoke (which let's be frank, VP's mindset seems pretty damn unwoke based on
this). That seems like scum trying to create a blatantly false narrative, and even if you disagree about scum motive existing there
does it not bother you VP Baltar tried to inject a social-justice point where none needed to exist ever?
Some miscellaneous concerns about VP's posting in regards to Noraa:
