Yellowstone

[JacksonVirgo]

@Momrangal

, regarding thingy thingo shh. Did you read my ISO. Say no more than yes or no

[Noraa]

Noraa
Marky Mark
DrippingGoofball
JacksonVirgo
Infinity 324

This is the composition that I'm expecting tomorrow.

I'm also expecting tomorrow to be LYLO

I don't think DBG should get let off the hook tomorrow, I don't think Nora should be looked at tomorrow.

I'm thinking DBG/mark scum team

Pedit: it is

I looked at that and thought that and my mind believed that scum will compromise half of town

See, this is exactly why I do not trust your judgment. You say you assume tomorrow is LYLO, meaning you're voting who you think is Town which is stupid. You also say that in LYLO we should NOT look at Noraa which is plain stupidity as LYLO is where you should look at EVERYTHING you possibly can to not lose. You also say that you're confident that it's a DGB/Mark scum-team even though I've been constantly saying why I think DGB is mechanically Town unless a protective claims, which nobody has yet to debunk outside of Noraa but as they said they don't have setup speculation experience and it appears they don't as well (sorry Noraa :C). You say Mark is likely Town because of their claim yet COMPLETELY contradict yourself here by saying you're thinking of a DGB/Mark scum-team. Either you're witholding or even lying about information, in which I won't accept, or you're just absolutely bonkers and repeat my first eleven words. In addition, you state the obvious by listing everyone who will be alive except the person we are voting and yourself who would probably get shot tonight as you're a Mason.

Mark is not likely town bc of a claim. I believe mom suspects mark of being a mafia goon. Rolecop on mafia goon will show up same as vt.

[Noraa]

I think it's important to recognize when someone's out of their scum range and I think most people who only have one scum game on site couldn't fake what mark is doing this game, much less someone who was limmed d1 in their only scumgame

My first three games on site were all scum games and half the players all said there was no way noobscum could be this good.

[Noraa]

I'm also not expecting anyone else to look at anyone else but vax and even if I manage to convince to get another lynch, people will still look at Vax tomorrow

ngl, if u are sure vax is town, u should push a SR of urs today bc Jacko has a point. U probably die tonight.

[Noraa]

Ah okay that makes more sense now you put it like that.

I did not understand that. explain.

[Noraa]

@Noraa, @Infinity, what's your current reads on the other. I am asking this for a reason, but I cannot say until you both answer (and if I remember).

Dunno. Was pretty certain he was scum at one point but I also suck ass at reading infinity so that's fun.

[Noraa]

@everyone

, when you see this post. Quote it and full-claim with any results you have regardless of previous plans as we're either in LYLO or we're going into a LYLO after tonight and I would like to treat this as LYLO for safety. Also write a tier-list for reads and a brief description about why that read is the case whether that be mechanical, gut or anything. Scum usually have weak ass reasonings where Town wouldn't.

Let me reiterate.

If there is a protective, DGB is likely counterclaimed by your role and thus forcing the 1v1 in a likely LYLO or the day before LYLO is the pro-town move.

@Momrangal

, I want to clarify what Math's results were as they have multiple abilities. Or did they still get two vanilla results on Mark and Guillotina?

@Vaxkiller

, explain how exactly your role works. EXACTLY, but do not copy+paste (or fake one if you're scum) as that's not allowed. If you are Town and if this is LYLO you are putting us in a very very bad position.

@Noraa, @Infinity

, what's your current reads on the other. I am asking this for a reason, but I cannot say until you both answer (and if I remember).

@Mark

, is there a reason that you've become non-existant in this game where in other Town games you're one of the most active?

@DGB

, can you explain why you roleblocked who you did the previous two nights and also claim if you have at least one roleblock remaining.

Let's have a stab at this

I'm straight-up VT (best role in the game IMO as 0 pressure)
I have been less active mainly due to the Christmas break, which I am spending with the family. I thought this would mean that I had way more time to be active on here, but the reality is that we have been doing a lot of stuff together IRL. Sorry! It also doesn't help that most of the posting and interactions seem to take place overnight for me, due to that being evening in the US.

I totally get people SRing me here based on my play this game, but would like to hear from people who are as to why so that I can have a stab at sorting them between town and opportunistic scum.

We've not heard back from DGB ref who they blocked last night have we? That would certainly help with a solve. I hadn't considered the setup spec angle of sorting DGB's slot, so will mull over that, but I can deffo see the guilty on pig as being a potential bus (seems like good scumplay imo).

One thing that crossed my mind last night is that if DGB is scum then there was no blocked kill N1 so potentially JV could be scum too and using the vig thing as a gambit (ie kill Toog N1 with factional kill and claim it was a vig shot).

Noraa is my top TR atm - I just feel like we've been thinking along similar lines for much of the game so far. I can see Vax being scum here based on llama's play and the late PGO claim. Tbh I honestly thought the solve was Infin/Guillo, but now having to revealuate my life after Guillo flipped town and infinity got a negative on the motion detector last night. Will wait and see what DGB has to say about their result, but am v likely going to vote within Vax/DGB today.

wdym 0 pressure?
if ur a pr, u have even less pressure....
Also .... say what?
yesterday you kept saying I could be scum but now that consensus is like "Noraa is town", u flip that?!

[Noraa]

@MarkyPoo

, from memory you acted incredibly nonchalant regarding my vigi claim as if you expected the claim due to some form of TMI. I also remember a few weak ass interactions with Piggy that seemed like distancing when I re-read around my claim. I'm not gonna push on the activity thing as holiday's is a fine excuse although I feel it's been relatively all game which is a much different tone and energy whacker than I expect from town!you.


Infinity has been blatantly copying my reads over and over and I feel it's either a pocket attempt or my reads which are being copied are god-tier, although the latter is probably not the case as nobody else seems to be bothered to even read or acknowledge them.

ooof jacko ur looking a bit flaily here :/
conveniently right after mark suggests DGB/Jacko.
And then u OMGUS.

hm. *sigh*
I haven't actually thought about DGB scum = Jacko scum but I think that's actually only half correct bc if DGB scum, the Pig kill wasn't blocked. They used it on Toog. Jacko claimed toog. They might've doublekilled

If I remember correctly, DGB also waited an enormous amount of time before claiming the block. It honestly does look like buscred if we look at it from that perspective.

[Noraa]

Also DGB was the pig hammer. Generally if u blocked that person and a vig claimed the shot, you immediately vote them even if u don't reveal the block yet.

[Noraa]

VOTE: DGB

[Noraa]

I think I see what Mom sees.

[Noraa]

hm. *sigh*
I haven't actually thought about DGB scum = Jacko scum but I think that's actually only half correct bc if DGB scum, the Pig kill wasn't blocked. They used it on Toog. Jacko claimed toog. They might've doublekilled

If I remember correctly, DGB also waited an enormous amount of time before claiming the block. It honestly does look like buscred if we look at it from that persp

so to finish on the half correct thing, if dgb was jacko's partner and wanted to prove the claim, they would've outed earlier and not waited that long?

[Infinity 324]

@JV Mostly I wanted to get a vax scum flip today and then look at associatives/VCA tomorrow for reads. My solve atm is vax/noraa, I've felt that noraa is town for a while but my townvibes aren't as strong as they are on other people and I can't read noraa anyway.

I don't really feel like I've been copying your reads except the obvious setup spec one that DGB is town that really should be consensus but isn't.

[Marky Mark]

Also that talk has been going on since D1 so you talking about it now is a tad late tbh.

What talk? I don't quite follow, sorry.

Well my theory of you being scum with DGB is based on PR mechanics (if DGB didn't block the N1 kill, then either scum no-killed N1 or the kill on toog WAS the scum kill and JV fakeclaimed to cover it) so clearly that talk wasn't happening on D1

[Marky Mark]

@MarkyPoo, from memory you acted incredibly nonchalant regarding my vigi claim as if you expected the claim due to some form of TMI. I also remember a few weak ass interactions with Piggy that seemed like distancing when I re-read around my claim. I'm not gonna push on the activity thing as holiday's is a fine excuse although I feel it's been relatively all game which is a much different tone and energy whacker than I expect from town!you.

Yeah I mean the vig claim seemed initially fairly legit to me as would be risky for scum to claim vig and risk a CC from a town vig.

Thinking this through tho, this is slightly flawed logic as if DGB is scum and a DGB/JV scumteam NKed Toog N1 then they would know that there had likely been no vig shot N1 anyway as there was only one death overnight (any vig would have had to not shot or cross-killed toog)

Like I don't inherently SR you individually JV, it is more a case of if DGB is scum here, then you would make most sense as a buddy, as otherwise DGB would've had to no-kill N1, which seems suboptimal for them.

I mean I tried to push piggy for info/reads to help me sort that slot, and I was mild townreading them prior to the DGB guilty on them. I'm not really sure that's distancing, altho I can see how it looks bad that I light TRed them and then they turned out to be scum.

Activity wise, this game has consisted of the last week of work before Christmas, which was a bit crazy, and then the Christmas holidays. I have not been as active as I would've liked, and for that you collectively have my apologies

[Momrangal]

@Momrangal

, regarding thingy thingo shh. Did you read my ISO. Say no more than yes or no

Yes

[Momrangal]

I'm also not expecting anyone else to look at anyone else but vax and even if I manage to convince to get another lynch, people will still look at Vax tomorrow

ngl, if u are sure vax is town, u should push a SR of urs today bc Jacko has a point. U probably die tonight.

If my reads are wrong, I don't want Vax around because I'm unable to defend him. I feel like keeping vax around will cost us the game.

[Noraa]

I'm also not expecting anyone else to look at anyone else but vax and even if I manage to convince to get another lynch, people will still look at Vax tomorrow

ngl, if u are sure vax is town, u should push a SR of urs today bc Jacko has a point. U probably die tonight.

If my reads are wrong, I don't want Vax around because I'm unable to defend him. I feel like keeping vax around will cost us the game.

that serious?
Alright. I believe in ur judgement.

VOTE: Vax

[Momrangal]

Jacko/DBG/pig is a paranoia team.

What it takes to make that gambit pay off takes too much planning, pre-planning, and playing ahead of the game. doing that at D2 is pretty much taking a losing gamble

[Momrangal]

UNVOTE:

Don't want to lynch prematurely. Stuff still need to be done

[Infinity 324]

I agree with mark that DGB/JV makes more sense than other DGB teams. No killing n1 and guiltying your partner makes much less sense if you're only confirming 1 claim instead of 2.

[Marky Mark]

@MarkyPoo

I haven't actually thought about DGB scum = Jacko scum but I think that's actually only half correct bc if DGB scum, the Pig kill wasn't blocked. They used it on Toog. Jacko claimed toog. They might've doublekilled

This is possible BUT a cross-kill seems unlikely as Toog was being widely SRed D1. Doesn't make sense for scum to NK here imo as its an easy miselim target for them UNLESS they needed to be able to frame it as a vig kill.

In this theory, the JV vig fakeclaim is a tool to give you an excuse for the kill N1 while still being able to frame the 'blocked' kill on pig, so that they can be bussed for towncred. There has to be an explanation for the night kill (ie they were vigged) that still lets you pretend to have blocked scum

[Marky Mark]

so to finish on the half correct thing, if dgb was jacko's partner and wanted to prove the claim, they would've outed earlier and not waited that long?

There wasn't any real pressure on JV tho, so there was no imperative to 'clear' them

[Marky Mark]

@Noraa - you say that I've flipped my read on you, but tbh I was chiming with you all through yesterday. I pointed out some LAMIST stuff around twilight iirc, but that doesn't mean I was hard SRing you, just that I was pointing out stuff as I saw it. If anything, I held people to account when they were trying to push for your lim over G's. I just feel on a pretty similar page to you with a lot of stuff, eg you pointing out how JV had been flailing after I suggested the DGB/JV idea

[Marky Mark]

[7]Horsewoman:

JacksonVirgo, Momrangal, Toogeloo, DrippingGoofball, Guillotina, Mathblade, Marky Mark

[6]AGamblingPig:

Flea the Magician, Marky Mark, Infinity 32, Momrangal, JacksonVirgo, DrippingGoofball

[5]Guillotina:

Marky Mark, Infinity 324, Mathblade, Momrangal, Noraa

--

Usually VCA is EVERY VC after a scum-flip but eh it's fine I'll just do these. Horsewoman wagon should have at least one scum on it and the only possible scum is DGB and Marky Mark. So they're in a 1v1 or it was a full-town wagon which in post-game would be hilarious. On Piggy's, DGB's vote here solidifes my TR on them I think, if they both were scum bussing each other with a "red-check" I would have assumed they would have tried voting earlier to gain the most cred, but no they voted last which doesn't really seem like it's fueled by an agenda. DGB/Mark/Infinity all on this wagon. Gills was a stupid wagon over Vax and I have to look back to see who it was that saw my logic as to why the chances that Gills was a blocked kill, accepted it as true, yet voted there anyway over Vax. I think it was Markypoo but could be either Noraa/Infinity as well. Mark/Infinity/Noraa. Vax being gone out of all of them is frustrating but what can you do.

Mark is on all three wagons, Infinity and DGB on two, Noraa on one and Vax on nuthin'. I am seeing a Vax/Mark scum-team now to be completely honest. Mark, can you give your thoughts on the VCA as well? Same with anyone tbh.

-Trying to imply I am in a 1v1 with DGB and then loudly TRing DGB is a cheeky way to try and convince people to lim me
-Ref the pig wagon, DGB literally came out with a guilty on pig, so the fact they voted later rather than earlier is not a towntell, as others have pointed out
-Guills was an inspired wagon as they were stretching increasingly over the game (eg consider their theory that the masons were w/w late yesterday). I may have been wrong but I don't think the wagon was a poor choice by any stretch, and I was genuinely surprised to see them flip green
--Yeah, I totally take the point that DGB blocking correctly twice in a row

seemed less likely than I initially thought

, but it still seemed the liklier option, as Guills' play was scummier than vax's. Less likely than I initially thought != unfeasible
- I don't quite follow your point about "Vax being gone out of all of them"