Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[DkKoba]

Gimli lmk when ur interested in pursuing non moonlogic <3 ill be waiting. Whyd u remove pressure from HW slot?

[Gimli son of Glóin]

the question is why you were thinking me and hw share the same alignment, unless 669 means you stopped thinking that.

[DkKoba]

thought progression is now illegal- Gimli

[DkKoba]

yes i think scum!you implies scum!hw. That read is not for your POV its for others povs.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

why would town!me imply town!hw?

[DkKoba]

How does HW/me make sense? Even like subtle psychological tells point towards me not being partnered there. U think we actually share a PT?

[DkKoba]

also if im like completely fucking wrong about the former being same alignment, its HW who is the scum in the 2.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

it's funny you were bothered I didn't want to engage with you yesterday and now you're acting just as obtuse as always. happy new year koba.

[DkKoba]

pot kettle black

[Datisi]

Infinity 324 replaces Horsewoman.

[Infinity 324]

Koba what if I told you I'm town and gimli is scum

[DkKoba]

Koba what if I told you I'm town and gimli is scum

How long have u been speccing this game?

[Infinity 324]

A few days, but I've read the game from the beginning

[DkKoba]

Whats your takes rn.

[Infinity 324]

clidd is maybe a deepwolf if radja is scum since his reason to TR radja was not good imo, but his posting flows so naturally and his feelings about the game are so detailed that I think he's out of most people's scumranges

koba is town, their push on clidd and then taking a step back and re-evaluating felt really genuine

n_m is town cause I agree with their reads lmao

raya is I think a better pick for a radja scumbuddy as I think her play is more easily faked than clidd's at least, and she also had a bad reason to townlean radja. Also wasn't really a fan of the push on koba. I need to look at this slot more though, I remember her early posting being towny

radja hasn't done a single solvy thing all game

If ahsoka is flavor then I think he's town here because he's not trying to look town/take control of the game but not sure

Literally whenever gimli posts a read it feels like he's glossing over it a bit. It feels like he isn't giving his own reads the time they need to be properly articulated, which is super scummy.

Lostego slot has felt town to me but should probably look at this slot again as well

PEdit: cool

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: radja

[Not_Mafia]

^ We need more of this

[DkKoba]

im down VOTE: Radja

[Infinity 324]

I can agree on Raya/Ahsoka being on town PoE, but horsewoman is a slot that you should probably revisit, it's not someone I'm very confident about.

I ISO'd her again yesterday and I came out of it with an equally strong impression that she is town. And yes it'd be so much easier if she was actually playing the game but I don't think it's scummy that she isn't. I don't think this game presents a challenge for scum to come and post.

I'm not entirely sure you're not attempting to pocket me here. Have to remain alert to this possibility.

if my solve is right you don't have to worry about me. I just really appreciate the angle you're coming from with lots of things, from your description of dkkoba's early posting to your evaluation on me (including this post which is just very unnecessary if you're scum from my POV cause I know I'm town and you have no reason to shade me). The more you post the townier I think you are.

if you're growing doubts over this, consider if scum!me needs to pocket you or if I pocketed anyone as scum in our last game together. do you think scum!me gives your minimal posting such a hard townread? unless me and all my buddies are floating outside POE, I don't think I could possibly do that. Consider who is pushing you instead and why. I know you're already there but paranoia can take over anyone.

This feels like he's appealing to horse and trying to get her to TR him.

Just so we're clear, my current scumread on horsewoman is based off my interpretation of #665 and not because I think horsewoman won't post her reads eventually. I don't like that she felt the need to promise work instead of doing it, but that's minimal in comparison with her thoughts on koba and, now that you and raya mentioned it, I also find her thoughts on raya in this and 666 to be quite troublesome. The townlean is fine of course, but the strength of it seems off somehow and in many directions.

Okay so now. Talking about the actual game. Raya36 is a player I didnt realize was in this game. However I like her willingness to ask questions that arent just empty, they GO somewhere. I think there is a lot of good analysis and reasoning. Town.

Clidd and aaasoka are slots that have attracted a lot of controversy and I need to read them more closely. None of their posts have struck me.

Kobas fight with gimli isnt really AI from me. I think koba has made a lot of drastjc tonal shifts this game, but what im not seeing is the REASON for those shifts. And as someone said earlier, koba started acting comically aggressive after it was pointed out that they were aggressive as town. Town would shift tone for genuine emotional or other reasons, not to look good. I also think that there are some scum actinh loudly and engaging in theatre because there are 3 scum to play with and a lot more to position/play creatively. Hiding isnt going to work.

the more I read this post the more I dislike it. you said koba's fight with me isn't AI, but then proceeded to describe his act as 'comically aggressive' after someone pointed out they weren't being as aggressive as their town selves. isn't that supposed to be an AI aspect of his behaviour when we were arguing? and if you think there's scum acting loudly and engaging in theatre, is there anyone but koba doing so? how does that not leave you with an actual koba scumread?

These posts feel so uncharitable after having horse as a TR for so much of the game. Yeah horse's read on raya was surface level but I don't get where gimli is getting that the strength of it is off. Why wouldn't someone just read something as town more strongly than you? Also the easy answer to gimli questioning horse about her koba read is that horse did in fact scumread/scumlean koba, that's how I read the post, but gimli doesn't think of that interpretation at all? The part that's really scummy to me is that gimli doesn't consider the horse!town explanations, when he should be biased towards reading horse as town if anything.

[DkKoba]

clidd is maybe a deepwolf if radja is scum since his reason to TR radja was not good imo, but his posting flows so naturally and his feelings about the game are so detailed that I think he's out of most people's scumranges

koba is town, their push on clidd and then taking a step back and re-evaluating felt really genuine

n_m is town cause I agree with their reads lmao

raya is I think a better pick for a radja scumbuddy as I think her play is more easily faked than clidd's at least, and she also had a bad reason to townlean radja. Also wasn't really a fan of the push on koba. I need to look at this slot more though, I remember her early posting being towny

radja hasn't done a single solvy thing all game

If ahsoka is flavor then I think he's town here because he's not trying to look town/take control of the game but not sure

Literally whenever gimli posts a read it feels like he's glossing over it a bit. It feels like he isn't giving his own reads the time they need to be properly articulated, which is super scummy.

Lostego slot has felt town to me but should probably look at this slot again as well

PEdit: cool

anything more in depth btw i wanna make sure u didnt just like change ur reads when realizing ur scum or something.

nice to have someone i have had success sorting in the past though

[Infinity 324]

Gimme like 2 reads you want me to expand on

[DkKoba]

hm

clidd/raya.

id say me but i need to tone the ego down

[Infinity 324]

I'm going through ISOs and I'll explain things I think are important as I go along.

One thing I realized about Volxen after losing to scum!him and playing with town!he is that there is an expressive superficiality when he creates reads as scum.

The fact that I was able to perfectly align my understanding with his line of reasoning is an indication, for me, of genuineness that I attribute to town!Volxen.

Not saying that I am absolutely correct, but it is the prevailing impression at the moment.

I get that but I'm talking about the specific context of him calling out your lie about you not pushing him. Regardless of his alignment, him calling you out on that is truth therefore you wouldn't be able to detect that superficiality if he was scum and it should be genuine.

I think that logically, you're right.

The point is that I am taking more of an approach with I am feeling in relation to what he is posting and whether the line of reasoning seems to me towny or scummy.

So you are saying that he can sound towny because he is addressing a topic where he would not need to lie regardless of alignment and me having a tr on him at this point based on impressions of genuine is not valid because he can be scum being genuine and he called me out correctly in my line of action as scum!clidd and now i'm pretending it was part of my plan to get a reaction from him. I got it.

This felt very genuine. Raya says that clidd's TR on volxen doesn't make sense, and the response of "yes you're technically right but that's not how I felt about it" is something that happens to me quite a bit as town and is unlikely for scum to think to fake. He doesn't even feel the need to defend himself, but uses the opportunity to try and sort raya.

[DkKoba]

theres just something that surprised me - > the way you townread me is like different from the way you caught me as scum last time, i.e. I would expect you to point out that I didn't exhibit that tell there.

maybe that games just been so long ago but yeah.

[Infinity 324]

So you're confirming my suspicions earlier were valid now that you're called out, when earlier you denied that you would try to go after Volxen.

What exactly did Volxen calling out your lie about not pushing him do? Why would scum!Volxen ignore that? (besides you two being partners). How does calling it out make him townier?

I get that but I'm talking about the specific context of him calling out your lie about you not pushing him. Regardless of his alignment, him calling you out on that is truth therefore you wouldn't be able to detect that superficiality if he was scum and it should be genuine.

I agree that there's quite an apparent difference in those two posts but what makes his post in question fit into either category when it's truthful regardless of alignment. The reasoning is good of course and it looks more like the town example but that could simply be because it's the truth. There's no reason for him to lie about that as scum which would make it very easy to even unintentionally fake the town example.

The way I'm seeing it is that you got called out and now you're pretending it was a reaction test all along, reason being that I don't see how that particular reaction test can give you a a reaction pointing either way since all he gave was a truth that he has no reason to hide regardless of alignment. And while I get that his post appears more like his town posts, there is reason for this besides him being town and I don't think you should be townreading him for that.

Actually this looks really good for raya as well. I feel the "I knew it" attitude from being right that clidd's initial reasoning ("I wouldn't push volxen as scum") was fabricated, and she feels like she thinks she's caught scum.