thinking, anyway: although i felt like safebet calling so many people town in his initial readlist (119) was an unlikely mafia move, he seemed to open himself toward basically anyone that was getting suspicion. see: 203350396. it had a hint of opportunism, to use the old buzzword. i'm not sure i ever fully understood why he moved to vote quiet. although the self doubt in 402 is somewhat plausible self-doubt, looking at it. that was what i
Do I think I'm being short-sighted about some newbies? Right now I'm still sitting at Mikul/Quiet being town and then who's left? Lunar? BM replaced the other newbie slot and he came in swinging. I never fully resolved Illwei in my mind, but I find myself alright with what BM has brung to the table. Read over that post I made and tell me what scenario we could be in, because your post to me indicates hesitance on safebet
i feel like if safebet is scum, the only option here is that BM is hardbussing him, to be frank, because that was the team i was mulling over in my mind before BM even replaced in
i was trying to consider if i was being too soft on mikul when i started doubting that safebet read because i tend to have a weak spot for tunnelers but past a certain point you have evaluate if what they're doing/saying actually makes sense and not just credit them for the push
I could see BM hardbussing him, but I wouldn't go there today. Mikul seems genuinely paranoid of me and I very much doubt that he's scum. Quiet lingers in the back of my mind but I just really don't want to go there. I don't like that our claimed Doctor pretty much just waltzed in vote on the majority wagon and nothing else
ISO'ing Illwei they didn't really say much about safebet outside of #123, stating their dislike of Safebet by having full reads.
n terms of the other side, Safebet placed a townread on him then dropped a cursory glance on them:
In post 396, safebet222 wrote:
I don't understand why illwei is not getting questioned for his low activity and his vote that hasn't moved once, but pushing there also feels gross.
Weird in hindsight, feels like he talked himself out of fully suspecting Illwei, Further looking into it is pretty handwave-y
ignoring it would be the expected behavior? a more green player just isn't going to pay as much attention to their partner. the only other potential partner i could see there is an outside chance of quiet, basically never you or mikul or lunar
Feel like if because of newbie game Safebet would've been like 'hey so Illwei I'm gonna pressure you make sure to do some (explanation of distancing as scum) wink wink nudge' etc
I was happier to vote safebet when it was just BM. Mikul on board, okay; mikul and lunar vote blocking, oh god.
Frankly I’m half convinced the “quiet it’s your hammer go right ahead do it” is a reaction test.
I didn’t vote safebet while out and about today for this exact reason: I didn’t want to make a halfway considered decision of yeah, I’d be willing to vote safebet, I think they’re scummy a reasonable amount of the time here, then look back when I got home to see that they’d been quickhammered. Looks like that pretty nearly was a reality, and makes me rethink it a bit, despite the fact that my two towns, BM and Mikul, are on board.
I think mikul/lunar like the wagon in part because they think safebet is a good partner for me, which I know to be wrong. I want to vote within peta, Unwnd, safebet today, like BM, okay, I can get behind this- that was the thinking.
From BMs earlier post inviting me to hammer, I thought they were at E-1. Thanks for the heart attack, unwnd.
Yeah, I’d also vastly prefer to let safebet have time to say what they want. Unwnd, I’ll try to be more productive moving forward. Today has been not my best. Still don’t think that’s a reason to end a day early, it feels like there’s at least some stuff here worth thinking about/discussing.
oh god I just said I wouldn’t get off into the weeds. One last time.
I recognize I’ve been all over the place today. Need to just stop posting off my phone, sit back, get on my laptop, think, then post 1/4th of what I normally do.
I feel like tmmrw is a big problem. Mikul and Lunar vote as a block. They want to shoot me. I am almost positive at least one of them is town. Neither of them die tonight. I don’t die tonight. Tmmrw, if we don’t get rid of a scum today, I get voted and we lose. That’s my perspective.
I’ve given a number of solutions, mostly desperate. We just find a scum today. Mikul or lunar or both consider not voting me tmmrw. One of the three of us dies.
I really really really really hope mikul is scum, and his read on me is a tactic. Last night, late, reading over some of their other games, I realized that I actually put deathtunneling me and posting this specifically and all the towny things are within mikuls scum range.
I just sadly think that mikul is town. Which means, from my perspective, if something isn’t done about this situation today, we lose.
I’m more okay with a mikul vote because it solves the me getting misellimed tmmrw issue, and because unlike prior to my metadive, I now think scum mikul does this with some frequency. It’s plausible to me now, though still unlikely.
But reflecting today, and thanks to BM saying hey quiet get out of the weeds, it feels stupid to vote someone I think flips town most of the time. I just don’t know how to solve the tmmrw problem.
My reasoning for hunting within peta, unwnd, safebet is that
An inno one of you gets shot tonight always, imo
I find it incredibly unlikely that we are in a newbie newbie game
I townread mikul and Illwei who had become BM
If lunar is scum, def ringer partner. If lunar inno, even if mikul is scum, still has to be ringer partner. Am I getting fooled by a fake townSlip? Maybe. I don’t think so. So I have to hunt between you three, or go back to my in the weeds theory that apparently makes no sense.
I will VOTE: quiet again. Happy to revote safebet, but not until he returns from VLA. Theres no hurry here. In the meantime we might as well keep things moving.
