PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

didnt he win paragon sometime

why hasnt he caught any bad guys

[mastina]

None of your arguments are actually like ... mastina specific. Like I could take this wall, change a few things, replace PBE with mastina and the same argument applies....

I mean.

Explicitly so, yes.

In the pool of effectively-4, as long as Solstice is a given townread, each player within knows the poe is precisely three names for two scum.

You could be town, but it'd require Ircher to be scum.

I currently believe that Ircher has stronger reasons to be town than you and that the reasons for you and Spiffeh to be scum are stronger than the reasons for you to be town.

You haven't played with me before but you have played with gloria before. Its not my place to say more on this subject.

So I went to search Gloria's games to see if I could guess her identity. From Death Curse, I immediately guessed Nancy Drew. This game also gave me Nancy Drew vibes. So did this one. And Even checking this game's signup thread, I got Nancy Drew vibes from it. And the resemblance in the scummies thread is rather uncanny.

I normally wouldn't go through the work of alt-hunting because I hate the idea of hunting alts, but in this case it was important to verify the claim of Gloria having played with me before.
The good news: Nancy Drew has indeed played with me before and could come with that idea of me.
The bad news: ND39 knows I can fairly accurately read her and, if Gloria IS Nancy Drew 39, this is Gloria/Nancy Drew39's scumgame.

[mastina]

(For context: on multiple occasions, Nancy Drew has said that I am one of the best players onsite at reading her. I've almost never gotten it wrong and am almost always right. While Gloria is, 1: on a hydra, and 2: a different account than ND39 even if Gloria IS Nancy Drew, both factors I admit can influence the accuracy of the read: even with those factors, I'd say that she's scum here. Why? Because reading from Gloria's completed towngames, I can see her as town especially if she's ND39. In this game, reading Gloria's posts, I don't see the same level of townness, especially if she's ND39. This level of performance/play from Gloria is miles below her previous performances where she was town and this level of performance/play from ND39 would be in line with her scumgame. So, if Gloria = ND39, then yes, I actually think that Polar Bears Express is actual legit genuine lockscum here. Because if Gloria is Nancy Drew 39, this is NOT Nancy Drew 39 as town.)

[mastina]

For the record. If Gloria were Nancy Drew 39, then she would be immensely able to be, from the getgo, from the onset, immediately obvtown. Even with depression, even with real life shit, she would almost certainly still be able to play and contribute early-on, and be immensely obviously town from the onset.

In this game Gloria was absent until D2 and while her presence has increased the further into the game we've gone, it is still not to immediately obvtown levels. It looks passable as, to an outside non-ND39-expert, plausibly town. But it is not immensely town, radiating the aura of towniness. Gloria's play has been okay, but not superly strongly obviously town. Reading her completed towngames, Gloria was always immediately obviously superly strongly town (which is one of the reasons I made the connection of Gloria = ND39, from the immediate similarity in how transparently town they were in games in very similar fashions), but that's utterly absent from this game.

Which makes a lot of sense if Gloria is ND39 and was drafted as scum. Nancy Drew 39 hates being scum and while she's gotten better over time at masking it, at being plausibly town, she can't realistically for long periods (especially during periods of stress in her own real life from rl things + rl emotions) radiate that town aura energy when scum. She can make things which look plausibly town when she's scum, but she can't make things which radiate town when she's scum.

And this game, Gloria's absence early, entering on D2 and later with plausibly town content is exactly that: it doesn't radiate town.

Whereas both Gloria, and Nancy Drew, when town, radiate town immediately, even when busy, even when their real life is kicking them down.

I realize that Noraa was in a bit of a tight spot by revealing knowledge about my gameplay which could not have come from her; she had to reveal Gloria as an alt or be accused of the knowledge being from FL. (Which, granted, it probably still actually is.) But putting me on the scent of Gloria's identity was a mistake because if Gloria is Nancy Drew, this is 200% her scumgame.

[mastina]

(Also: FL was meant to know the identities of alts, right? So he should know that Gloria, if she's Nancy, would be immediately obvtown to the town if town, but could plausibly slip under the radar as plausibly town if drafted as scum, especially given people wouldn't have meta on Gloria to know that her not radiating townness means she's scum. Basically, if Gloria = ND39, then FL drafting PBE is a zero-risk, high-reward move. Drafting someone who hates scum might be an issue if that player is playing on their main...but drafting someone who hates playing scum when they're part of a hydra and on an alt means that they aren't going to as clearly show it. So he denies the town a player who'd be immensely obvious as town, while getting a player who, thanks to their hydra and being on an alt, isn't a liability to the town because they are at least plausibly town with the content they do end up giving.)

[Polar Bear Express]

You don't get to guess nor will either of us give you an answer on this matter. Gloria has played with you. We will not confirm nor deny identity tho.
There is not a point in lying about something like this. If we wanted to lie, we could've chose a random game of urs and said we read it.

-nornor

[MURDERCAT]

The bad news: ND39 knows I can fairly accurately read her and, if Gloria IS Nancy Drew 39, this is Gloria/Nancy Drew39's scumgame.

Only took 4000 posts for people to get on board

[Ircher]

So is there a point to this day continuing? I mean, we could give Spiffeh more time... but Spiffeh hasn't done much at all this game, so... I'm not really expecting that much. Aside from that, unless the masons have a shocking opinion to give, I think most everyone is on the same page. It doesn't seem particularly likely anything will change here.

[Ircher]

(Mind you, I'm not in a rush, but if we're going to just sit around waiting or rehashing the same arguments, that seems like a good sign to move on to the next day.)

[MURDERCAT]

Yes because I'm dying tonight so I want all my thoughts out

[Solstice]

[just waitin on Polarbears and Spiffeh to give their thoughtss]

~Morning

[mastina]

Only took 4000 posts for people to get on board

Sorry for taking so long. <3

Yes because I'm dying tonight so I want all my thoughts out

We are basically waiting on the masons right now tho.

[MURDERCAT]

I know, I have things to say but I have a lot of isos to read first.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we are waiting for spiffey no?

[Blade Dancer]

Official Vote Count 5.2

Not Voting

(7): mastina, Creature, Spiffeh, Ircher, Solstice, Polar Bear Express, MURDERCAT

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to execute.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-01-08 15:45:00)

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Creature has requested replacement.

I have PMed Vaxkiller if Vaxkiller does not respond to the PM in 24 hours, I will post in the general queue.

[Ircher]

...

[Blade Dancer]

Vaxkiller replaces Creature!

[Ircher]

Initial thoughts, Vaxkiller?

[Vaxkiller]

Oh god so many.

[Vaxkiller]

Not really, im reading a little. Not worried. We got this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

our secret weapon is here

[mastina]

I know, I have things to say but I have a lot of isos to read first.

Is okay, you've got six days to do so.

Not really, im reading a little. Not worried. We got this.

Hi Vax!

We really do. <3

[Blade Dancer]

The remaining scumteam of Flavor Leaf, Polar Bear Express and Spiffeh have conceded.

The town have won. PTs will be released later this evening as the mod is busy with DnD.

[Noraa]

Gg.

[Noraa]

Oh pooky I wanted to be ur mason so badly.