Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-5

Baku in Japanese legend are supernatural spirits who eat nightmares. Baku were created from the spare pieces that were left over when the gods finished creating all other animals. A child waking up from a nightmare would call out three times: "Baku-san, come eat my dream."

safebet222

(2): Battle Mage, unwnd

quiet

(2): Mikul, Lunar Martian

Mikul

(1): safebet222

Not Voting

(2): petapan, quiet

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 6, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-05 21:00:00)


Mod Notes:

- safebet22 is v/la through January 2
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[safebet222]

@mod... our plans fell through tomorrow morning so I am no longer on V/LA.

[fferyllt]

@mod... our plans fell through tomorrow morning so I am no longer on V/LA.

Acknowledged!

[safebet222]

A run down of the case against me:

BM thinks I'm scum because I am pushing the idea that Lunar is fakeclaiming. Possibly a bit because I am perceived as low effort or perhaps was too willing to let peta get by with not giving his full reads.

Unwnd thinks I've coasted without giving reads and have just pushed elim's. He also threw me in the bucket with Peta for not pushing him on his assumptions.

Mikul and Lunar both have said I am a PoE choice.

I think quiet is willing to vote me because his 2 town reads are on board...

Peta hasn't really said the he intends to vote me but thinks I've been opportunistic D1.

I also think that everyone, except perhaps BM (not really sure), has me pegged as a more experienced player. Or perhaps that I should know or do more than I am doing because I am a "ringer". Well, I'm not very experienced... this is my 4th game of forum mafia... I have some chat mafia experience but no RL mafia experience. If you look at my last game I was accused of the same thing that unwnd accused me of, saying nice things but not really doing anything. IDK. Honestly, having a limited amount of time in my day to dedicate to mafia makes keeping up with the game hard at times. I also don't channel anger that easily and I don't get bent out of shape over games. Mafia is fascinating to me, that's why I play.

I just seems like the argument against me has been that I haven't lived up to some expectation you all have put on me, and that is used to determine the intent of my actions. But in this case, you all have put expectations on me that aren't at the same level as my experience, ability and availability at the moment.

[safebet222]

So I want to take each of the arguments I see against me and respond...

As far as the Lunar fakeclaiming scenario, I think I've done as well as I can to explain why I think its more likely scenario than random chance and why we should consider that. Before it was just mikul claiming that he would never consider it. I took exception to that. The manner in which he expressed his opinion on the matter didn't fit the situation in my opinion. Threats to become uncooperative coupled with his singular agenda of getting quiet elimm'd strike me as scummy. Hence my reaction.

My treatment of Illwei... I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that has been a bit confused and all over the place with him. Unwnd and Peta both went back and forth on voting Illwei. I did go back and look hard at Illwei before voting mikul and I cannot see that slot as scum after the supposed slip.

Unwnd, quite frankly I don't know where you're coming from. I did push back at you for you're day 1 reads, I voted you in the middle of D1, also see post 204 and I came off of you once your tone changed. See post 402.

As far as opportunism, after my initial push against unwnd, I went to turtle in agreement with BB that the slot needed to be sorted. The pressure did nothing and he replaced and Norfolk basically capitulated, the slot is simply lhf for me and I didn't want to go there as it doesn't (and didn't) really tell us anything. Lunar was a combo PoE/behavioral vote I said in post 512. It also put him at E-1, if I was the least bit concerned about not looking opportunistic to draw attention my way, I'm not putting him at E-1. After, lunar claimed, we were coming down to having to choose between norfolk and quiet, and I was not sure which was better. I think I had been asking mikul a bunch of questions about his read of quiet... see post 685 for one. I chose quiet as the better choice for elim. As many of you noted, the norfolk flip did nothing for us apart from get rid of a bad town slot.

Not quite sure how to respond to PoE except to say that maybe you should reexamine mikul's play and ask yourself what his agenda of only pushing quiet save him from having to do.

To sum up my defense, I felt good about my participation when I was here. I thought I made my thoughts clear that I was trying to support and not lead. I thought that I pushed people that I thought were being inconsistent. I compromised when I had to. I am a bit baffled, in awe really, of how fast you all have seemed to consolidate around this push. It took us 10 days to do that around the Lunar push.

[safebet222]

As far as BM's request to make a case against Peta, as much as I would like to survive, I can't. If you look at his voting pattern D1, he doesn't have to do the Lunar, Illwei, Norfolk flip flopping if he's scum. He'd simply need to have a singular agenda, so he doesn't have to decide. Same for unwnd and quiet to an extent. That's where I get hung up on this game. My last game I focused on looking for who was being anti town and opportunistic and I missed the person that had only one agenda, who coasted to a win. I'm not willing to do that this time. Mikul needs to get pushed here for his quiet tunnel. I'm also not going to be convinced that its stupid nor scummy to think a Lunar fakeclaim is in play here, either.

So, I've said my peace... I will be able to respond tomorrow to any questions but I'm going to bed now. If you all hammer me before I'm awake. I had fun as I always do, thanks for the game.

[petapan]

VOTE: unwnd

screw it

[quiet]

I like this a lot better than safebet.
VOTE: unwnd

[petapan]

it occurred to me i don't like playing the way i've been playing so i'm probably just not gonna do that anymore

[unwnd]

I'm not sure where the votes on me lead

[unwnd]

Was trying to think of a way to explain my thought process but if the mistake being made right now that writing long posts means you're town then that's a mistake that we'll all have to accept, never mind the fact I've done it too but hey. I'm not tinfoiling Quiet/Mikul here, but Safebet's response to me didn't seem all that enticing? What is it you saw that got you to change your mind?

D1 was shit creek. BBMolla claimed PR for no reason not even at E-1 and then you had Lunar who just happened to be the doctor, then Norfolk self-hammered because town couldn't make up their mind. What is this regression I see before my eyes. If you had problems with me you could've sorted them 8-10 pages ago.

[unwnd]

Would be stunned if quiet were scum. Vote on me sucks but he's just blissfully unaware. Peta's vote is different where he know it sucks and he's aware

[Lunar Martian]

Would be stunned if quiet were scum. Vote on me sucks but he's just blissfully unaware. Peta's vote is different where he know it sucks and he's aware

I sort of agree but I have another plausible explanation for what happened there. I want to hear from peta and quiet before I give my thoughts.

Peta and quiet: why vote unwnd?

[unwnd]

Vote Count 1-21 - Final

Scrooge's first conversation with Bob Marley will be our last words on dreams today: ‘You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato. There’s more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!’.

Norfolk Boy1

(5): quiet, petapan, unwnd, Illwei, Norfolk Boy1

quiet

(3): Mikul, safebet222, Lunar Martian

Illwei

(1): BBmolla

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: December 28, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2020-12-27 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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An Elimination Has Been Achieved!

I never got around to this wagon but looking at it kinda annoys me. I'll drop a bit of a hint: D1 wasn't lead by scum because I'm not scum. That isn't what annoys me though, it's that I feel like my town is either 1) self-absorbed to such an incredulous state that it's unreadable 2) not here and afraid to post. I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out what, because Quiet I want you to know that I really really dislike your vote. I really really dislike that you keep hopping too. I really dislike that in my head I think 'No, Mikul/Quiet are just overstimulated townies who are obsessed with solving the game.' I hate thinking about if that's not true or not.

Yet. You won't let go of your paranoia. And one of you is being taken for a damn fool or even worse, I am being taken for one.

[unwnd]

Would be stunned if quiet were scum. Vote on me sucks but he's just blissfully unaware. Peta's vote is different where he know it sucks and he's aware

I sort of agree but I have another plausible explanation for what happened there. I want to hear from peta and quiet before I give my thoughts.

Peta and quiet: why vote unwnd?

We need new perspectives. If you are simply afraid to post I am listening and welcome whatever you want to say, sincerely

[Lunar Martian]

Would be stunned if quiet were scum. Vote on me sucks but he's just blissfully unaware. Peta's vote is different where he know it sucks and he's aware

I sort of agree but I have another plausible explanation for what happened there. I want to hear from peta and quiet before I give my thoughts.

Peta and quiet: why vote unwnd?

We need new perspectives. If you are simply afraid to post I am listening and welcome whatever you want to say, sincerely

I think I've given my thoughts. Nothing has really happened to change my mind, so I'm not repeating myself. Quiet is still Mafia to me. Nothing about his play gives me any reason to think otherwise. I'm curious to hear what peta has to say, but for now I think both you (unwnd) and he (peta) are Town. Illwei/BM is Town. I'm also confident that Mikul is Town. That leaves safebet as likely Mafia. It makes sense too that safebet would be trying to discredit me and cast doubt on my role as Mafia. It seemed like everyone else was also either going for safebet or quiet so I really didn't think I had to be all that vocal.

[unwnd]

Mikul seems to agree with you and from understanding he is very annoyed nobody does. The thing about my quiet read is less about the content they're making, rather it is the method behind it. just selfishly townread it because it's just excessive to the point where I don't think scum goes to such an incredible length, especially for a newbie. Maybe that read is shortsighted however, but I really don't wanna mislim another townie lol

[unwnd]

When I said 'quiet, I hate your vote on me' I very much meant it. I'm not really a fan of quiet's action but I read the heady analysis in the same way I'm reading Mikul. Mikul, now is your chance to explain to me why you believe such analysis is fake, but try to be concise. Don't give me x+y=z-3(mx+b), give me A to B. Simple. Don't consider a bunch of things that haven't happened. Tell me what's happening now and what I could be missing.

[unwnd]

VOTE: peta

Well I'm gonna go up green

I keep looking back at this, it's etched in my mind

[unwnd]

Last post for a bit but BM do me a favor and just be really townie or something then I won't keep looking back at that with the hives

Peta you were on Illwei a bit with me, not sure where it went

If you dont like the way you've been playing now's the time to fix that, it ain't me and I realized saying 'should know better' is me being a little pissy

[Battle Mage]

unwnd's posts in the last few hours are creeping me out.

ill think, but right now i prefer quiet of the 2.

safebet's reflections on his contribution to the game overall were amongst the towniest thing he has posted. but still in the pool.

[unwnd]

That's a bit ironic you say that given I was creeped out about Illwei still and was just spinning the wheels to say

Do think your output is town though, don't have a huge take on why I classify it that way but I digress

[unwnd]

Think right now I'm at

Mikul
Lunar (Just gonna believe the doc claim is real. Was looking over Mikul's reason as to why it is and I'll accept it. No need for unnecessary tinfoil)
BM
--
Quiet
Peta
--
Safebet

I don't really think Peta/Quiet are partners. There was this grandstanding Peta made towards Quiet on D1 where he basically said what he was doing was unproductive and confusing lazy paraphrase but it's there in ISO. Didn't seem like an angry mate who thinks Quiet is doing a bad job, especially cause I'm pretty sure Quiet has been mostly(?) townread.

[Battle Mage]

i saw you spent like an hour trying to case me as a partner for safebet before you tried to hammer.

i think im obvtown yeah. BM scum is pretty lazy/lurky, and my predecessor obviously townslipped - what more do you want from this slot?

im creeped out by you buddying folk and being so confident in your narrow elim pool.

[Battle Mage]

Think right now I'm at

Mikul
Lunar (Just gonna believe the doc claim is real. Was looking over Mikul's reason as to why it is and I'll accept it. No need for unnecessary tinfoil)
BM
--
Quiet
Peta
--
Safebet

I don't really think Peta/Quiet are partners. There was this grandstanding Peta made towards Quiet on D1 where he basically said what he was doing was unproductive and confusing lazy paraphrase but it's there in ISO. Didn't seem like an angry mate who thinks Quiet is doing a bad job, especially cause I'm pretty sure Quiet has been mostly(?) townread.

i remember that interaction - could easily be scum coaching. quiet is probably the most widely scumread slot still alive, besides Lunar?