Yellowstone

[JacksonVirgo]

Your own logic was that when you voted, DGB was never speed-hammered meaning scum is within you two. And since DGB is cleared both from mechanics and my check you are the scum unless scum were outside you both and weren't coordinated at that time to hammer. Meanwhile I want everyone to unvote if they haven't alreaydy.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm pretty sure we've established that one of DGB and noraa is scum.

I'll have to look back at your timings with MarkyPoo and Noraa's vote first.

[JacksonVirgo]

ascetic scum

Hmm

I do think that ascetic scum makes a lot of sense with the flavor.

Mind explaining what you see?

An ascetic is someone who lives in the woods, and a lot of yellowstone is woods. It could make sense.

I still don't have a good explanation for why scum no killed n2 except for DGB being scum. But if DGB is scum, I think JV is town weirdly enough. Rolecop/tracker mason + motion detector mason + fruit vendor + PGO vs. ascetic/rb and two goons is too scumsided.

Cross-killing is always a possibility remember.

[Noraa]

I'm at a 2/3 scum pile. Infinity/Noraa appeared to be pushing the same agenda where Mark is not. I am not sure if scum!Noraa would playing the seperation game to have their buddy succeed in tomorrows LYLO or directly pushing for DGB alongside their buddy. That's my current read in a nutshell

I mean here's the thing: if I were scum, I'd never push the town RBer. Sure momrangal thought they were scum. But that doesn't matter. Pushing a town pr comes at huge risks. I'd push any vt over DGB. Vt are just easier to push in every single possible way.

I came in today and immediately voted. That is not scum!me. Scum!noraa is going to come in, test the waters a bit, and then choose a soft spot in the town to park my vote.

[Noraa]

If I am wrong about the 1v1 between DGB/Noraa it could be Mark/Infinity doing the same thing although right now using your own logic Noraa you are the likely scum here.

No. My logic is DGB/Noraa must have scum and its DGB.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mark and Infinity's posts are all 20+ minutes apart from each other, they could be uncoordinated, albeit unlikely that it's the case.

[Infinity 324]

Crosskilling is basically the same as a no kill. Math specifically instructed flea to target vax, killing flea would be really weird especially since we're on odds so a double kill is amazing for scum. I think they did it to set up lims on vax and guillo. DGB doesn't have to be scum for this, but if DGB blocked scum then the scumteam gets destroyed. I don't think DGB is town here.

[JacksonVirgo]

If I am wrong about the 1v1 between DGB/Noraa it could be Mark/Infinity doing the same thing although right now using your own logic Noraa you are the likely scum here.

No. My logic is DGB/Noraa must have scum and its DGB.

So you're saying your logic only applies to scum!DGB when it actually applies to both. And you're saying this backwards logic when you're the one incriminated by your own logic? Do you see the issue here

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm at a 2/3 scum pile. Infinity/Noraa appeared to be pushing the same agenda where Mark is not. I am not sure if scum!Noraa would playing the seperation game to have their buddy succeed in tomorrows LYLO or directly pushing for DGB alongside their buddy. That's my current read in a nutshell

I mean here's the thing: if I were scum, I'd never push the town RBer. Sure momrangal thought they were scum. But that doesn't matter. Pushing a town pr comes at huge risks. I'd push any vt over DGB. Vt are just easier to push in every single possible way.

I came in today and immediately voted. That is not scum!me. Scum!noraa is going to come in, test the waters a bit, and then choose a soft spot in the town to park my vote.

Never a big fan of self-meta.

[Noraa]

I'm pretty sure we've established that one of DGB and noraa is scum.

I hate this coming out of your mouth although I do think like this.

Ok, I've given this a tiny bit more thought and theres no other possibilities. DGB is simply scum. I really don't think there is ever a world where DGB is town. As for the other scum, truth be told, I'm not completely sure I agree with mom that it is marky. I think its possible but I'm not certain. DGB has really just been obvscumming like hell today and yesterday tho and I seriously can't TR this.

What mom said is correct.

If DGB RBed Pig, they would've outed it the moment Jacko claimed the vig shot.
If DGB RBed Guillo, they would've pushed Guillo not Vax.

These actions don't make sense from town and town has no need to suddenly become super friendly and kind to everyone the moment the mason calls them scum.

VOTE: DGB

[JacksonVirgo]

Noraa continues to contradict themselves. And I've already said why Guillo was likely Town regardless of the roleblock.

[JacksonVirgo]

Noraa if it's Infinity/Mark I will hate you forever. Please unvote until we make a decision

[JacksonVirgo]

ALso @Noraa. Which of Infinity/Mark do you think is scummier

[Noraa]

Never a big fan of self-meta.

Find a single scum game where I push a pr in limlo. I know the pr claims are real so I don't push them. I've actually never realized this is true of my scum games but I just went over the stats and this is 100% true.

Stats don't lie.

doggos-i was pushing Sirius and 72 on my last day alive(both were vt)
on this day-i was pushing gimli and hectic on my last day alive(both were vt)
mafiasunny-i was pushing gamma on my last day alive(vt)
so many bats-i died early so didn't get to do much
death curse-only vts and goons
kpop music-i was pushing staarling on my last day alive(vt)
xenoblade-i died early so didn't get to do much
pookyvsflavor-i was pushing toog, mastina, and ircher(all vt)
never trust trees-i was pushing momrangal(this is a special case tho bc it was either our shady dies or the town flag bearer dies. I had no choice but to push mom)

[Infinity 324]

Noraa continues to contradict themselves. And I've already said why Guillo was likely Town regardless of the roleblock.

Hmm?

Me and mark absolutely could've hammered if we were the scumteam so that's not a possibility.

JV, I still don't think you have an explanation for n2 that makes sense. Noraa could've easily been roleblocked, meaning that DGB would have a fake guilty on her. So no killing or killing flea are immensely stupid if DGB is town and noraa is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm pretty sure we've established that one of DGB and noraa is scum.

It's Noraa. But for some reason everyone has been excusing her scum play since day 1.

In this game, you can be right as the day is long, but if you can't convince your team mates it's as good as being wrong. I take some of the blame for this failure.

What's worse is when a whole bunch of players decide to wave away objectively scummy play as "shrug, that's just Noraa."

[Noraa]

Noraa continues to contradict themselves. And I've already said why Guillo was likely Town regardless of the roleblock.

it makes more sense to assume you blocked a kill than assuming that a goon claimed pgo and then killed flea.

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure stats don't lie, but game by game basis you can manipulate it easy when you need to win. I trust scum-tells and never town-tells for that reason.

[Noraa]

Noraa if it's Infinity/Mark I will hate you forever.

thats fine bc I'm 100% certain its not infinity/mark.

[Noraa]

ALso @Noraa. Which of Infinity/Mark do you think is scummier

Probably mark atm.

[Noraa]

It's Noraa. But for some reason everyone has been excusing her scum play since day 1.

Notice how fast DGB's tone shifted from yesterday to today.

[JacksonVirgo]

Noraa continues to contradict themselves. And I've already said why Guillo was likely Town regardless of the roleblock.

Hmm?

Me and mark absolutely could've hammered if we were the scumteam so that's not a possibility.

JV, I still don't think you have an explanation for n2 that makes sense. Noraa could've easily been roleblocked, meaning that DGB would have a fake guilty on her. So no killing or killing flea are immensely stupid if DGB is town and noraa is scum.

I've already debunked that you posted 20 minutes apart, you could have not been online to coordinate a hammer so that's wrong and manipulative tbf. You expect me to have an explanation for where the N2 kill went? How am I supposed to know more than you, I know I have a clear on DGB and am making reads accordingly scum likely cross-killed to secure an easier elim on Vax.

[DrippingGoofball]

Noraa continues to contradict themselves. And I've already said why Guillo was likely Town regardless of the roleblock.

Hmm?

Me and mark absolutely could've hammered if we were the scumteam so that's not a possibility.

JV, I still don't think you have an explanation for n2 that makes sense. Noraa could've easily been roleblocked, meaning that DGB would have a fake guilty on her. So no killing or killing flea are immensely stupid if DGB is town and noraa is scum.

If I was scum I would have faked a guilty on Noraa.

[JacksonVirgo]

ALso @Noraa. Which of Infinity/Mark do you think is scummier

Probably mark atm.

Didn't you say that you didn't think Momrangal's reads were right, which was DGB/Mark iirc. Why say you agree with them now?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm probably ready to just speed-yeet Noraa just out of spite. I'm thinking Infinity/Noraa tbh as I don't think DGB claimed if they've used all their shots and would be afraid of being blocked in a LYLO kill.