revO emaG - TENET

[midwaybear]

peta I have not paid much attention but even if superbowl scum claimed over here I still would have pressed the button

Why is this?

[Spiffeh]

I can also be convinced fairly easily to vote spiffeh, i think

Off to a bad start skitter!

Then be townier

p. much every time I have seen you give a read on me you have been proclaiming me as town

Can you explain what led you to no longer feel that way?

[petapan]

if enough of yall over there are town then kill superbowl9 TIA

[Dandelion Wine]

Having a covid scare, see you... I dunno when
-ceph

[skitter30]

I liked that you started off like on p1 softing the same way i did but that wont cut it at this stage anymore, and i hate that you tried for the 'clear the forwards thread as scum' thing, and you had a gross post regreting it upon it becoming obvious that it wouldnt work. Honestly mostly off of that post, i can quote it if necessary

Pedit ceph i hope you're ok!!!

[Spiffeh]

I remember why we called this the bad thread now

[petapan]

VOTE: Bell

Inverse thread was looking to elim pooky yesterday and then it swerved onto pisskop. You guys should almost certainly elim pooky today and examine what happened yesterday.

@Peta why superbowl9? I'd feel better getting Bell instead of letting him get away again.

because he's scummy as fuck and had he not inverted i would be deathtunneling him right now

superbowl9:

UNVOTE: turnstyle - superbowl9

I would really like to get this skittles thing firgured out today, can yall somehow figure out whether you have enough of a cc to elim? It better be correct though

Besides that I’d love to yeet midwaybear out of here, pretty terrible content all around.
UNVOTE: midwaybear

Why is pooky being pushed as though everyone should have obvtowned FL there? Clearly many people saw scum there

Also not sure why there is a bunch of confusion about the NK, scum is just targeting turnstyles no?

i actually really don't like this post? the first line is especially grody if skitter is town (and in anticipation of someone saying "b-b-but you said you'd vote there and blame cabd if it's wrong" - not the same, also shut up). one liner vote on midwaybear with vague reasoning of "pretty terrible content". trying to avoid any placement of responsibility for the FL vote. i don't necessarily hate not immediately blaming pooky but something about the line "Clearly many people saw scum there" just makes it feel like writing the miselimination off without attempting to be critical of anyone on it at all.

4195 is a weird question to gamma. a significant chunk of his content today has just been with regard to speculation with the turnstile and purple room, a lot of fearmongering about things going wrong and complaining about the plan to clear a timestream being unrealistic. the stance on skitter where we should turnstile her even if we might eliminate her is weird. i don't like 4384. there's a continued leaning on other people about what we're doing with skitter - see stuff like 4681, 4682 where he's asking them about what they want to do, being a good little sheep - but there really is no sense at all that he's trying to sort skitter himself. 5157 is another fos with nothing behind it, just "I think A50 might just be scum". 5424 is sketchy, the followup of "Still think midwaybear is the better flip tho" isn't good, and given that this is the most words he has commited to this today, does this really look like town who is interested in pursuing a scumread? defends s_s when he's getting attention in 5518, then reiterates being okay with pisskop or midwaybear in 5519, 5746 is an unvote on pisskop when momentum is gathering there.


all that stubborn independent mindedness that seemed so town about him on day 1 just kind of vanished and he's been very complaisant. in comparison to someone like midway getting all the attention i feel like he's gotten by while doing much

less

. i went back through his iso and he's actually literally never given a real reason for midwaybear being scum?

anyway we've got 6 hours, we need to get this show on the road, so let me clear the air on this shit

LOL are you scumcasing me peta?? I thought I obvtowned enough this game

Any case I make on MWB will be 1 repetition of what's already been said and 2 called a LHF case. I learned my lesson with gamma. Low activity slot, yawn, we all know any competent player could scumcase it. What does me pushing this do especially when I don't actually have a strong SR anyways?

Also nobody has done jack shit today in terms of scumhunting - the only reason you're singling me out is because besides FL I did 90% of our thread's hunting D1. I'm not following that up with a 2k post D2 people already probably think I'm an obnoxious hyperposter

the reaction here to me simply suggesting he might be coasting and was written off as town too early is, to use that od mafia buzzword,

defensive

. the irritation at even having suspicion thrown his way, the trying to deflect blame to others not doing anthing, calling himself obvtown to try to assert he should be above suspicion...this is mad scum, it's not how town reacts to a callout

and that "case on midwaybear" that would be "repetition of what's already been said"? well, about that...

here let me fix it so the text is readable

v. insteresting that this is the time midwaybear starts being active - just a note

Gamma, FL, midwaybear herosolve - please come back to this post in the event of my death

I think those who have experience with FL will agree with me when I say you can't take the words he's written at face value, you must look at the action or agenda he's trying to push with the words he's saying. If you read his posts through that lens, I believe you'll also come closer to my current read on the game - FL + gamma scum (third is midwaybear for me, but other slots work for this as well imo).

ehhh maybe day 3.

What changed?

Nothing this has been their position for >1k posts

UNVOTE: midwaybear

UNVOTE: turnstyle - superbowl9

I would really like to get this skittles thing firgured out today, can yall somehow figure out whether you have enough of a cc to elim? It better be correct though

Besides that I’d love to yeet midwaybear out of here, pretty terrible content all around.
UNVOTE: midwaybear

Why is pooky being pushed as though everyone should have obvtowned FL there? Clearly many people saw scum there

Also not sure why there is a bunch of confusion about the NK, scum is just targeting turnstyles no?

MWB are you just like averse to helpful content?

Still think midwaybear is the better flip tho

Im fine with pisskop or mwb today

Yeah I don't really have much energy to put into the game plus I'm leaving this thread tomorrow so not too motivated. I don't really see clear scum but MWB is my top suspect and they are kinda LHF. So I don't really have much to do except vote pisskop and skim

look at his fucking ISO. this is all he's said toward midwaybear. there's no fucking case there. he's never had one. this is fucking scum riding an easy vote on a low activity player. the thing is, if you actually

read

midwaybear, the one he's attacking for not having "helpful content", he's doing a hundred times more to solve, in his own way, than sb9 is.

so don't hit that button, don't turnstile this guy, please kill him tomorrow TIA

[petapan]

I remember why we called this the bad thread now

why did you come here exactly

[skitter30]

He's a pr that's only active on this side

[petapan]

SIGH

right

[skitter30]

ok a lot of this is gonna be abt me, but that's what i initialy formed the read off of so eh. but here we go, spoiler wall:

Spoiler:

Brian town. We’re syncing pretty well.

the timing of this was p suspect, as i mentioned at the time - it came literally minutes after brian announced a townread on annie. this, to me, looked(s) like buddying brian; if annie is scum i dont' think brian is

Skitter you understand Brian started the buddying between our slots before me lol

But I pinged bulge

(i remember checking the timing upon this post as well, and iirc brian literally mentioned them like twice before this in a non-ai fashion, so this was also like ... not true)

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skitter are you expecting to be turnstiled first?

you're putting energy into the other thread as if you expect to be spending some time there sooner rather than later.

i still hate this line of questioning, and in retrospect, it looks like fishing. it's implying that i'm scummy for wanting to be turnstiled, but the reasoning for *why* that's a scummy desire is not explained. i later called these posts random shade, because the tone is negative, but he's utterly failing to explain *why* it's scummy of me for wanting this

continuing on that theme: 385, which i utterly hate, and could not get the bulge to elaborate upon, and that's when i started tunneling. he's once again objecting to me having more reads over there than here, but fails to explain why that's an issue or scummy. the last line i particularly hate: 'remove all that from your iso and it's all mechtalk'. or, in other words, he's basically saying: 'if we remove all of your content you have no content, and i take issue with you not having any content', which makes ... exactly no sense? obviously if you remove my reads i won't have any content left, but he's trying to negate most of the content i had at the time and then complaining i don't have any. i have a really, really hard time seeing that as a real thought, or as anything but shade, and despite trying to get clarification i was dodged multiple times there.

this is where i starting making a whole big thing abt annie; i believe the bulge wrote these posts and i actively tried over the next day or so (i don't remember the exact timeline) to get him to followup on this, but he ignored/avoided me multiple times (i'm not gonna quote proof for this but you are free to verify this for yourself by control-f'ing 'the bulge' in my iso)

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and here is my original case on them, as the wagon was rising, for reference:

Also I am going through your ISO and I can't really figure out what you're actually scumreading annie for

@skitter

oh this i'm pretty sure i said:
-> i'm p sure their observation last night abt me having more reads in the other thread was throwaway shade than anything else, and given that i can't really get an elaboration on tha,t until i do i'm assumign that's what it is. it doesn't feel like a real thought that actually lead to a scumread, although they were *acting* like it should be a reason to scumread me even though as best as i can tell they haven't actually made a connection between 'more reads onpeople in the other thread' and 'scumread', nor have they explained why my doing that is more egregious than ... literally anybody else who's done that. i'm not gonna drop it till they elaborate because it felt more like shade than anything else

-> buddying brian (already explained this one)

-> and just a lot of post are pinging me all around

-> they're also acting like they have more townreads than they actually do, feels like they're trying to project confidence and an air of gravitas (this one is new, don't think i elaborated on this one yet )

examples of the last point: 874, 683, 670

iirc he had like three people townreading him at this point ...

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to elaborate on the last point in the above post: consistently as his wagon was rising, he kept trying to shade the people pushing it the strongest (me (who i don't think he actually ever articulated a scumread on beyond 'my push on his wagon was terrible' and norra (who flipped town)). he just kept loudly and loudly complaining that his wagon was awful, but there wasn't really any solving for *who the scum were pushing the wagon* again, besides for me (who i think we mostly think is town now?) and noraa (flipped town), who were incidentally also the loudest two people wanting him dead at the time. it's stupidly survivalistic

he also kept trying to project town and make himself look like a much, much more universal townread than he actually was at the time.

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aside he kept saying he wanted to be turnstiled so that he could purple room with deacon n2 and that kinda fizzled out and nothing much came of it ...
(and from the perspective of: town is trying to clear the forwards thread of scum, scum!annie trying to get over makes a lot of sense ...)

related:

Subject: TENET - Day 2

Yes we had my entire team send me over so I could be a mafia goon on this side instead, you got me.

and quite a lot of his content is abt actualizng this plan (i.e. utilizing the turnstile), as opposed to just liming scum (which he isn't giving much thought to at all). and like after the a50 turnstile his content is just ... very meh

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whooo other timeline (man iso-ing people is a pain ...)
(and tbf i spend less time concentrating over there as i have my own massive game to work on here, so like my grasp of the context around specific posts over there is less strong)


Subject: TENET - Day 2

Okay Nacho.

Who does the other side need to elim then.

Subject: TENET - Day 2

@ffery- she’s town, and I’m a piece of Shit.

I’ll figure out where to go from here.

just dropping noraa scum upon imperium coming out as ic and defending her is eehhhhhhhhh kinda icky

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progression on shelly wasn't great - he was defendign her for a while and then hopped on as she kept digging her own hole deeper. not impossible to come from town but i didn't really like it

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Subject: TENET - Day 2

They think Pooky went over and hard shoved flavor as a counterwagon to skitter rn

i also called this out at the time: this, as a narrative, doesn't actually work because the timeline was completely off - if pooky wanted to come over to like save me (which i probably wouldn't let happen, anyways), he would have done it the day before (irl) than he actually did, when i was at e-1, not the next day, when i was at e-5 and most of pressure had dissipated

like three different slots started saying this after he started saying that

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Subject: TENET - Day 2

Dunn and Titus are town. You can remove them from your pool.

Over there take Cabd and Ffery town to the bank. Skitters claim is sketchy, I don’t like Pooky suddenly engaging over there when he did nothing over here. Peta is town. Superb I think is town (but off a cliff). I should have more but I’m watching tenet rn so I’m not spending too much effort

Subject: TENET - Day 2

Let’s get this turnstile knocked out guys.

I’m currently at-

Won’t touch-
Titus
Dunn
Brian
Gypyx

Hesitate to-
Spiffeh
Bell

Meh-
Muffin
A50
Hench

Tiers aren’t in order

just noting because i'm repeatedly seeing a *very* strong townread on titus, and i think he ends up on her at eod

Subject: TENET - Day 2

VOTE: titus

For the time being

and he did! with no progression either!

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i was gonna say that i disliked his bell progression around the claim thing but i think it was two different heads talking so eh

ok you get max one of those per dayphase because that took a nice long while
obviously my vibes for things that happened here are a lot stronger

@ other thread i very, very, very, strongly believe annie edison to be scum, here's a nice case i've written on them for your perusal

And plz murder them for me, ty

[petapan]

i had put him down as town early day 1 i'm just in the mood for a fight

[midwaybear]

Annie Edison seems to be ignoring this thread's scumread on him

[Spiffeh]

I liked that you started off like on p1 softing the same way i did but that wont cut it at this stage anymore, and i hate that you tried for the 'clear the forwards thread as scum' thing, and you had a gross post regreting it upon it becoming obvious that it wouldnt work. Honestly mostly off of that post, i can quote it if necessary

Pedit ceph i hope you're ok!!!

I would love if you could quote the posts you are referencing

I understand reevaluating at this stage especially with how the game is currently going but your timing to drop this read on me seems convenient

I can see a world where you're scum here and the world is closing around you and you broadening your pool of targets might help you deal with that

[Spiffeh]

Ftr my reads in the Forwards thread I expressed in the Purple Room

{Dunnstral, Brian Skies}
{Gypyx}
{Bell, Annie Edison, Hench Princesses}
{zMuffinMan}

Muffin flipping scum means I'm practically certain there is scum in Bell, Annie, HP

[petapan]

lol the world aint closing around any scum itg wtf is that post

[Spiffeh]

notty's play completely deteriorated after being saved form the lim here and being sent to forwards thread where devoted his time to appeasing Cabd/ffery

I'm interested to hear Dandelion/Deacon's thoughts on Annie Edison as of now

[skitter30]

Because I think Gypyx is town

I feel like this thread has already been "remove all of the uncharismatic players" and I am partially guilty of that but now that it's been revealed A50 wasn't the last scum over here I feel like scum are deeper ingrained in the 'town-bloc' over here than I originally thought

I hated this post, esp the timing of it. Feels a bit fake
Your progression on titus was also meh

And lol at the notion that i'm getting closed in and need to expand my pool.of targets, that doesnt even make sense as a read ...

[skitter30]

Ftr my reads in the Forwards thread I expressed in the Purple Room

{Dunnstral, Brian Skies}
{Gypyx}
{Bell, Annie Edison, Hench Princesses}
{zMuffinMan}

Muffin flipping scum means I'm practically certain there is scum in Bell, Annie, HP

Your reads for your thread literally mirror mine, how does your critique of my reads even make sense ...

[Spiffeh]

lol the world aint closing around any scum itg wtf is that post

I am talking about skitter specifically who has been on the chopping bloc for basically the whole game

[skitter30]

Pretty sure it’s just gypyx

Nope

[Dandelion Wine]

Hi. My name is not-ceph. And this is my pad.

I need ya'll to slow the roll on them there whole unvoting things. I have thinking and re-phrasing from my hood things to do first.

Skitter. I am so so sorry for bad tunneling you.

Are you sure you want to go over there?

[skitter30]

lol the world aint closing around any scum itg wtf is that post

I am talking about skitter specifically who has been on the chopping bloc for basically the whole game

We're very past that

[petapan]

personally i think setting her loose on annie would be funny, and at this point i'm just playing for entertainment

[skitter30]

Hi. My name is not-ceph. And this is my pad.

I need ya'll to slow the roll on them there whole unvoting things. I have thinking and re-phrasing from my hood things to do first.

Skitter. I am so so sorry for bad tunneling you.

Are you sure you want to go over there?

From my pov it's mechanically suboptimal for me to be over here (and i should have been sent over two days ago, but whatever)

Whether i'll actually do anything useful over there from a pr standpoint is a different story, but idk. Otherwise not sure why i should stay here. Pretty decent chance i just die over there too but idk

And maybe next time dont put so much weight on crumbs you find from nebulous sources

Aside i wonder who gamma was on