TENET - Game Over

[Hench Princesses]

I was expecting Bell to die and the reason he's still alive is because he's both lynchable and he's not a threat given the power that is in this timeline right now, scum obviously have some very high power in this game and given we already had a bodyguard and a rolestopper in one timeline I don't see why a doctor in another would be improbable.

-E

[Hench Princesses]

Newpaged myself, here's my Annie wall from the previous page

Spoiler:

Okay, here's what we're going to do.

We're going to flip Annie today, and she's going to flip red.

VOTE: Annie Edison

I kinda thought I'd wait a bit and discuss this more with GX since I would like to talk to him, but I need to observe that this slot is pretty naked scum at this point and it needs to die today.

I'm up to three bullet points so let's do this
-Claim/soft is scum
-Bell/Titus positions are scum
-PT inversion think is scum
-Think setup/other reads spew her slot scum

Dunn claim your night action in your next post or die

Here, Annie basically claims PT cop with a guilty on Dunn, and in retrospect this is like, a naked scumclaim. Why? Because a PT cop checks someone that is scummy. But Annie's *entire iso* before this point is screaming that unwnd/dunnslot is town. There is 0 reason for Annie to reaction test Dunn and there is 0 reason for Annie to use any sort of investigation action on one of the hydra's strongest townreads. Think about who, if Annie was town, they WOULD target. GX? Muffin? Myself? Targeting Dunn is the most implausible and nonsensical night action choice for a town-aligned Annie slot.

I changed my mind I need to out this now

THE SCUM PTS INVERT TOO

I've spent a lot of time thinking about this, since it just didn't make sense to me. I get that Annie is thinking about PTs since Annie plans to claim PT cop. But this does not help Annie solve at all, in fact she never seems to look at any indication people are signaling across thread. But I've decided that the scum motivation of this post is to say something that will ultimately end up being proven false so that Annie could have attempted to solve something about the setup that ended up being wrong. This feels like something Annie thought about in the scum PT and then decided to share in thread as a way to kinda townspew herself.

Anyway, the bigger complaints are Titus and Bell reads. Annie is very confident in Bell town day 1, which suggests a willingness to read Bell on his own accord. But then as soon as the other thread starts complaining about the role softs, Annie suddenly drops the read and is willing to reconsider for what are frankly really poor reasons. Dunn still thinks Bell is scummy off reactions and stuff. That's fine, whatever. Annie did not, Annie thought Bell was scum for the weird crumb noise which, if Annie had a real townread on Bell before, I think they push back and engage there in a deeper way. The same is true about Titus. Very insistent on Titus town. Then willing to drop it. People can reconsider reads, but the level of insistence followed by the backpedal is more the facade of solving rather than solving.

Now let's think about why scum would need a PT cop. We just had two dead town in a hood. I'm not sure if it's the same hood as deacon/wine/dunn, but I think deacon/wine/dunn is a 3-person deep town hood. This means that the hoods in this game have two functions. 1--they allow town to share action results without hardclaiming their role to the whole town. 2--they increase town paranoia. They also allow scum to avoid falling into mason traps. So I think Annie is a scum PT cop that has come back from another timeline to hunt down town power, and in this sense, she is the bigger threat to town (over GX, who I kinda think might also be scum but am less enthusiastic about at the moment, and who I can easily see Annie as having protected).

Bell is town. Brian is town. Dunn is town. You all need to stop fighting each other and flip Annie with me. Because I would like to see some red flips in this game before it is over. Thank you.

-E

[Dunnstral]

Your premise is wrong HP, Annie doesn't get to choose where she targets.

Do you remember Shelly's role? Modified follower, there was somebody else who got her results.

[Hench Princesses]

Okay then she's a scum counter-part to Shelly's role. I don't care if I'm wrong on her role, I still think she's scum for the titus and bell flips/positioning, and right now she's the only slot that I am highly confident flips scum.

-E

[Bell]

Both players in Annie are guys.

Cabd maybe stop apologizing to skitter scum.

[Hench Princesses]

I know I'm sorry if I typo'd the gender again, I tried to proofread to fix it but I'm pretty tired and a few might have slipped through.

[Bell]

What was wrong with annie's positioning on Titus/Brian?
I felt it made sense from my perspective.
I thought he got cold feet from Titus AtE and dodged left. I don't really feel like he needed to unvote there as scum to protect their own credibility.

I also don't think that being a Cabd/FF follower is bad play per se. That's actually just how they normally play and Spiffeh pushing that narrative after peacing out after miseliminating Titus is bleh.

[Dunnstral]

I was expecting Bell to die and the reason he's still alive is because he's both lynchable and he's not a threat given the power that is in this timeline right now,

Also probably because he's scum, but sure

[Bell]

I was expecting Bell to die and the reason he's still alive is because he's both lynchable and he's not a threat given the power that is in this timeline right now,

Also probably because he's scum, but sure

Stop tunneling, i can't even pretend to solve when I'm scum. it's day three, my proficiency edged itself out like 2 days ago.

[Bell]

It should noted that they also broke from Cabd/FF in the end and did successfully (and correctly) back off from eliminating Doctor Bell.

[Hench Princesses]

I refuse to believe town that is confident enough on Bell being town to sheep him day 1 then flips that read because a typo that looks like a crumb if you look at it sideways is slightly different than the role he actually claimed. That thought process, followed by then flipping on their Titus read instead of pushing back on Brian's case. That is not a town thought process and the slot is scum, let's flip it, thank you and good night. You can ignore the role stuff if that doesn't do anything for you

What was wrong with annie's positioning on Titus/Brian?
I felt it made sense from my perspective.
I thought he got cold feet from Titus AtE and dodged left. I don't really feel like he needed to unvote there as scum to protect their own credibility.

I also don't think that being a Cabd/FF follower is bad play per se. That's actually just how they normally play and Spiffeh pushing that narrative after peacing out after miseliminating Titus is bleh.

They have been very 'let's work with the team' for the entire game but as soon as I start pushing GX they decide to hammer Titus, whom they have townread for the entire preceding game

My non negotiables today on this side are (Imperium, Bell, unwnd’, Brian, Titus)

Brian is town and he believed his case, but frankly it wasn't really that good. Titus's response was "here's a towncase on everyone else I'm forcing myself to write while I pass out." You don't hammer someone that night if you are town, had someone as an "untouchable" townread earlier in the game, just because someone had a wall. Titus was outside her scum range and while some of her responses to Brian were bad, because (I think) Brian is town and she was acting tunnely, if you had Titus as town before I don't really see why Annie flips that read as town based on what was going on in the thread. I don't buy it. It was a scum hammer and a scum backpedal. Just because *you* might have reconsidered does not mean that *Annie* reconsidering is a town thought process, to be clear. You have different trajectories.

-E

[Bell]

Thinking.

[Hench Princesses]

Townie:
Bell -- "I have had conflicted feelings on Titus throughout this game, and now Brian seems really confident, seems like this could be a good flip"

Scummy:
Annie -- "I've insisted Titus is town this whole game without really solving the slot or reasoning it through very much but now that the slot has become flippable and someone is pushing a different much scummier slot that might actually get traction, I'm going to hammer the townier, better flip for scum"

I don't actually know for sure that makes GX scum or not, I think GX has pretty good scum equity at this point but I think Annie is actually much deeper into the red now. GX is either a scumbuddy or a misflip that Annie wanted to save for later

-E

[Hench Princesses]

This is apparently what me attempting to back off the game for the night looks like

anyway I'm not sure what I need to do other than just force close the tab and walk into a different room. I'd like to flip Annie and if you present counter-arguments, I am very likely to refute them because the slot is scum. So if you have a rebuttal, go ahead and just think of the rebuttal yourself, because I promise there is one. Then say out loud, before you vote her, "Annie Edison is scum and is going to flip red" and when you hear it you will know it is true.

-E

[Dunnstral]

HP I'll have stuff for you tomorrow

[Dunnstral]

That is, by the time you get here tomorrow. But don't wait on me

[Bell]

This is going to take awhile for me to reconsider Annie.
I actually just have a lot of reasons I think they're town this game.
Pretty much everything from discomfort with buddying as scum, to poor proficiency as scum, to mirroring play in illicit with trejectories on paranoia, to it not actually being very scummy to sheep players like that because it makes them stand out and is very team player'e.
The fuck it Titus vote gave me pause, but only really because they said fuck it.

[Bell]

HP I'll have stuff for you tomorrow

I hope this isn't you scum casing me, because if it is, don't bother.

[Bell]

#6405.
Yikes.

[Bell]

i'll iso them and think about it. Doubt I'll reach the correct conclusion.

[Bell]

#6402: What changed in the turnstile room that caused you to flip your read on SB9?

[Bell]

Gamma protected Dandelion if they didn't get straight up shot yeah?
they pretty much said as much in one of their posts talking about hydra dissonance being a town tell.
It was hard to read the S_S scum posts.

[Bell]

Opportunistic my ass.

[Bell]

So Muffin and I were scum partners and now Annie and I are scum partners?

Deacon.
What are you drinking.

[Bell]

Does that make any sense?
Who is even listening to Annie edison or taking their cases seriously?