Yellowstone

[Marky Mark]

So I've had a plod through the VCs and tallied up DGB and Noraa's votes against the various groups of players. There's nothing massively illuminating that I have managed to glean from it (other than Noraa votes DGB a lot) but I figured I'd share it in case anyone else can see anything of interest in it.

All of DGB's votes on conftown were split between Mom d1, where she was #2 on the wagon (I was #1) and Horse d1. Noraa's votes on conftown were more spread out and included Guillo d1, and then the Guillo and Vax wagons d3 and d4

Aggregated totals

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
4 | 0 | 12 | 1 | 11

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
6 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 15

D1

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
2 | 0 | 11 | 1 | 1

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
6 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 3

D2

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6

D3

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4

D4

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2

[Marky Mark]

So I've had a plod through the VCs and tallied up DGB and Noraa's votes against the various groups of players. There's nothing massively illuminating that I have managed to glean from it (other than Noraa votes DGB a lot) but I figured I'd share it in case anyone else can see anything of interest in it.

All of DGB's votes on conftown were split between Mom d1, where she was #2 on the wagon (I was #1) and Horse d1. Noraa's votes on conftown were more spread out and included Guillo d1, and then the Guillo and Vax wagons d3 and d4

Aggregated totals

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
4 | 0 | 12 | 1 | 11

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
6 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 15

D1

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
2 | 0 | 11 | 1 | 1

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
6 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 3

D2

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6

D3

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4

D4

Noraa

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0

DGB

On Conf Town | On Conf Scum | On the other | On me/jv/infin | No vote
0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2

[Noraa]

1.) You seem to actively call my posts sus in the top quote (see my underline) but then go on to say in the bottom quote that you just have me in your POE due to not TRing me as much as JV/infin. This seems like a mild contradiction here but I don't want to misrep you. Help me understand - are you actively SRing me or not?

its called confbiasing.

[Noraa]

2.) You came into this day with me in your solve based on what Mom had said and you now have me in your solve due to POE & being a weaker TR than JV/Infin. Have you moved on from basing your solve on Mom's one?

yeah we moved on long ago.

[Noraa]

3.) Given how simple your explanation is for having me in your solve, why have you waited so long to put it out there given how frequently you were asked for it?

Uh because I was planning on casing you but got lazy.

[Noraa]

4.) Ref the explanation itself - if DGB is scum then JV is lying about being a weak visitor (unless there was some funky role modifier on DGB) so how am I more likely than JV to be DGB's scum buddy?

Jacko is much more genuine than you. He radiates towniness much more than anyone here.

[Marky Mark]

I skimmed as I have to work. Mark I held back the claim because I didn’t want scum to make a claim based on my result as obviously if they didn’t the pool is of three instead of four.

I don't quite follow sorry? I'm probably being dense here, but why would you outing an inno on DGB affect what scum were claiming, esp as most slots had claimed by that point anyways?

As in if a protective doesn’t claim they’re clear, otherwise I could have been blocked and it’s less of a clear.

Ah right, so your theory is that if you claimed, then scum could've fake claimed they were some sort of a role that blocks or prevents yours, and that is why you didn't die as they targeted you?

--pedit1 @Noraa, well at least you're being honest

--pedit2 @Noraa I mean JV may subjectively come across as more genuine than me to you, but unless DGB flips some kinda scum PR that would prevent a weak who targets them from dying then can you not see that JV must be lying about weak visiting DGB if DGB!scum??

[Noraa]

--pedit2 @Noraa I mean JV may subjectively come across as more genuine than me to you, but unless DGB flips some kinda scum PR that would prevent a weak who targets them from dying then can you not see that JV must be lying about weak visiting DGB if DGB!scum??

If DGB flips something funky, I would consider Jacko could be scum.
Currently, I have no reason to and my heart tells me Jacko is town here. If DGB doesn't have some sort of modifier, either scum have a pr or Jacko is scum. That would be a soft guilty and I would reassess.

[Noraa]

I skimmed as I have to work. Mark I held back the claim because I didn’t want scum to make a claim based on my result as obviously if they didn’t the pool is of three instead of four.

I don't quite follow sorry? I'm probably being dense here, but why would you outing an inno on DGB affect what scum were claiming, esp as most slots had claimed by that point anyways?

As in if a protective doesn’t claim they’re clear, otherwise I could have been blocked and it’s less of a clear.

Ah right, so your theory is that if you claimed, then scum could've fake claimed they were some sort of a role that blocks or prevents yours, and that is why you didn't die as they targeted you?

--pedit1 @Noraa, well at least you're being honest

--pedit2 @Noraa I mean JV may subjectively come across as more genuine than me to you, but unless DGB flips some kinda scum PR that would prevent a weak who targets them from dying then can you not see that JV must be lying about weak visiting DGB if DGB!scum??

I'm concerned now that Marky is town. fml. I thought I solved the game but I'm not understanding why mark isn't jumping on me if scum.

[Marky Mark]

If DGB flips something funky, I would consider Jacko could be scum.

Surely it's the opposite - if DGB is goon or 'standard' scum RB then JV must be lying about visiting them and surviving given his weak modifier?

[JacksonVirgo]

If DGB flips something funky, I would consider Jacko could be scum.

Surely it's the opposite - if DGB is goon or 'standard' scum RB then JV must be lying about visiting them and surviving given his weak modifier?

Standard roleblocker albeit unlikely still can explain it tbf

[Noraa]

If DGB flips something funky, I would consider Jacko could be scum.

Surely it's the opposite - if DGB is goon or 'standard' scum RB then JV must be lying about visiting them and surviving given his weak modifier?

By funky I meant no ascetic or some weird modifier. Like idk disloyal does the same thing too right?

[JacksonVirgo]

If DGB flips something funky, I would consider Jacko could be scum.

Surely it's the opposite - if DGB is goon or 'standard' scum RB then JV must be lying about visiting them and surviving given his weak modifier?

By funky I meant no ascetic or some weird modifier. Like idk disloyal does the same thing too right?

Disloyal is more or a my-end thing

[JacksonVirgo]

3.) Given how simple your explanation is for having me in your solve, why have you waited so long to put it out there given how frequently you were asked for it?

Uh because I was planning on casing you but got lazy.

You just got lazy?

[Marky Mark]

I skimmed as I have to work. Mark I held back the claim because I didn’t want scum to make a claim based on my result as obviously if they didn’t the pool is of three instead of four.

I don't quite follow sorry? I'm probably being dense here, but why would you outing an inno on DGB affect what scum were claiming, esp as most slots had claimed by that point anyways?

As in if a protective doesn’t claim they’re clear, otherwise I could have been blocked and it’s less of a clear.

Coming back to this because I think I may have struck something here. Consider this from Mom late D2

Noraa- camper
Marky Mark- camper
DrippingGoofball-???
Flea the Magician-???
AGamblingPig-???
Mathblade- ranger (mason)
Guillotina- camper
JacksonVirgo- N1 vig
Infinity 324- VT
Momrangal- mason
Vaxkiller-PGO

Two dead VT flips

Shortly after this Math claims mason, and we learn that flea is a Fruit Vendor. Ie, every slot had claimed by the end of D2, and the only ones being cagey about the extent of their powers were the masons.

JV - Who could possibly be fakeclaiming you if you had outed your N2 inno on DGB during D3, given that everyone had already claimed?

Also - did you get a result from the mod to confirm you had visited DGB, which would confirm you hadn't been RBed?

[JacksonVirgo]

I skimmed as I have to work. Mark I held back the claim because I didn’t want scum to make a claim based on my result as obviously if they didn’t the pool is of three instead of four.

I don't quite follow sorry? I'm probably being dense here, but why would you outing an inno on DGB affect what scum were claiming, esp as most slots had claimed by that point anyways?

As in if a protective doesn’t claim they’re clear, otherwise I could have been blocked and it’s less of a clear.

Coming back to this because I think I may have struck something here. Consider this from Mom late D2

Noraa- camper
Marky Mark- camper
DrippingGoofball-???
Flea the Magician-???
AGamblingPig-???
Mathblade- ranger (mason)
Guillotina- camper
JacksonVirgo- N1 vig
Infinity 324- VT
Momrangal- mason
Vaxkiller-PGO

Two dead VT flips

Shortly after this Math claims mason, and we learn that flea is a Fruit Vendor. Ie, every slot had claimed by the end of D2, and the only ones being cagey about the extent of their powers were the masons.

JV - Who could possibly be fakeclaiming you if you had outed your N2 inno on DGB during D3, given that everyone had already claimed?

Also - did you get a result from the mod to confirm you had visited DGB, which would confirm you hadn't been RBed?

Not every one claimed, specifically the one roles that would incriminate DGB were asked to not claim. Also I’m a Visitor not a checker so no I just know if I die or not.

[Marky Mark]

Not every one claimed, specifically the one roles that would incriminate DGB were asked to not claim. Also I’m a Visitor not a checker so no I just know if I die or not.

OK, so which specific slots hadn't claimed fypov? As far as I can see from Mom's post, all of the alive slots other than Math and Flea had claimed, and Flea and Math claimed shortly after, so I'm not quite following.

Are you saying that you were concerned that one of the slots that had claimed VT would then fakeclaim protective and undermine your inno on DGB?

[JacksonVirgo]

Not every one claimed, specifically the one roles that would incriminate DGB were asked to not claim. Also I’m a Visitor not a checker so no I just know if I die or not.

OK, so which specific slots hadn't claimed fypov? As far as I can see from Mom's post, all of the alive slots other than Math and Flea had claimed, and Flea and Math claimed shortly after, so I'm not quite following.

Are you saying that you were concerned that one of the slots that had claimed VT would then fakeclaim protective and undermine your inno on DGB?

I was waiting for everyone to full claim for that reason yes, I didn’t want to give scum a reason to fake claim it more than they already would and me claiming would help force the clear away.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also any VT could theoretically be scum that can pretty easily just claim a protective

[JacksonVirgo]

Honestly looking back I should have claimed immediately when Momrangal died as obviously no protectives exist but eh

[Noraa]

Did u read my big wall addressed to you?

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you agree that a town roleblocker makes sense in this setup? Did you end up seeing my posts regarding Noraa and their contradictions?

I didn’t yet no I skipped the big walls until after work


Gotta go starting now

[Marky Mark]

Not every one claimed, specifically the one roles that would incriminate DGB were asked to not claim. Also I’m a Visitor not a checker so no I just know if I die or not.

OK, so which specific slots hadn't claimed fypov? As far as I can see from Mom's post, all of the alive slots other than Math and Flea had claimed, and Flea and Math claimed shortly after, so I'm not quite following.

Are you saying that you were concerned that one of the slots that had claimed VT would then fakeclaim protective and undermine your inno on DGB?

I was waiting for everyone to full claim for that reason yes, I didn’t want to give scum a reason to fake claim it more than they already would and me claiming would help force the clear away.

How would a protective fakeclaim undermine an inno on DGB? I guess at a push they could claim to have protected you but in the swing of things forcing scum to commit to a fakeclaim and getting crucial info out there on DGB's alignment (given how much of the D3/4 play was based around her claimed actions) is surely worth the risk of a scum fakeclaim muddying the waters somewhat?

--pedit I have no strong feelings on whether a town RB makes sense in this setup, although more generally, I do think that 6 PRs seems like a lot for town. Yes, I did see your post and Noraa and their contradictions when I was catching up, and have also read DGB's cases on them too. I mean noraa has made some contradictions and the quickhammer was v sus, but equally a JV/DGB scumteam makes more sense in terms of explaining the no-kill N2, in addition to the late claim changes being sus and 6 TPRs seeming like too many for town

[Marky Mark]

I am heading to bed shortly - still keen to hear from DGB why they neglected to mention the gated aspect of their PR until the gate had actually kicked in.
Night all, it's been a pleasure (as always)

[Hoctac]

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