TENET - Game Over

[superbowl9]

Yeah I will go point by point after this texans game

[Brian Skies]

Peta, I don't think Gyx is scum.

[superbowl9]

Game's done

If gypyx is a mason that makes this a lot easier, are we massclaiming?

[Brian Skies]

Idk. The only ones that haven't claimed from this thread are HP and Gyx.

Spiffeh, A50, and Pooky if you wanna count the ones we sent over.

[superbowl9]

Oh what's your claim brian?

[Brian Skies]

I activated the extra turnstile on Day 1.

[superbowl9]

Dunn:

First major thing was when he was talking with annie, he outed her info for no good reason and was defensive about it 5395

Then starts fosing me, which I would like to know why he scumspects me for attempting to solve? I don't get how a SR on me follows at all from my play 5424

Then there's this weird POE argument that keeps getting used? As though a strongman couldn't be anyone else from your thread but annie, dunn, or bell? Like wtf is that? 5422 Like gives the entire thread as POE that WE KNOW CONTAINS 2-4 SCUM and says no way there can be scum here, bell has to be lying. This setup spec is just so bad it almost has to be intentional

Other than that, what hunting has dunn done? I don't particularly see major efforts from him besides asking easy setup one-liners and him pushing annie earlier. It's just not enough for me and the fact that he seems consensus town makes me very much want to explore this - he has not earned that.

[superbowl9]

I activated the extra turnstile on Day 1.

Oh okay. This kinda strikes me as a scum role? I townread your play but us having another turn in the purple room makes me kinda dubious

[Brian Skies]

I don't care.

[Brian Skies]

Then there's this weird POE argument that keeps getting used? As though a strongman couldn't be anyone else from your thread but annie, dunn, or bell? Like wtf is that? 5422 Like gives the entire thread as POE that WE KNOW CONTAINS 2-4 SCUM and says no way there can be scum here, bell has to be lying. This setup spec is just so bad it almost has to be intentional

Other than that, what hunting has dunn done? I don't particularly see major efforts from him besides asking easy setup one-liners and him pushing annie earlier. It's just not enough for me and the fact that he seems consensus town makes me very much want to explore this - he has not earned that.

What exactly is wrong with the setup spec? It seemed fine to me.

Considering you said you haven't read the first two days of this game and don't plan to, why should I trust this assessment of his play from you?

[superbowl9]

Then there's this weird POE argument that keeps getting used? As though a strongman couldn't be anyone else from your thread but annie, dunn, or bell? Like wtf is that? 5422 Like gives the entire thread as POE that WE KNOW CONTAINS 2-4 SCUM and says no way there can be scum here, bell has to be lying. This setup spec is just so bad it almost has to be intentional

Other than that, what hunting has dunn done? I don't particularly see major efforts from him besides asking easy setup one-liners and him pushing annie earlier. It's just not enough for me and the fact that he seems consensus town makes me very much want to explore this - he has not earned that.

What exactly is wrong with the setup spec? It seemed fine to me.

Considering you said you haven't read the first two days of this game and don't plan to, why should I trust this assessment of his play from you?

You've been doing great so far so I can see why you wouldn't want a new perspective

[superbowl9]

The setup spec is terrible

Your argument is "tell me exactly who the other scum strongman is. Oh you can't? Well that must mean they don't have one!"
^That's actually nonsensical

[Brian Skies]

That's definitely not what he said.

[superbowl9]

So what is the argument then? Because that's definitely what he said

[superbowl9]

Let's look at this from a different perspective.

There was either a strongman, a roleblocker, or bell is lying

Let's assume that the strongman isn't also another role.

It's not me, because I didn't target bell or Iconeum night 1
It's not Brian, because his role is proven as turnstiler
It's not Annie Edison, we just went over their role.
It's not the tracker

It's Bell, HP, Gypyx, or one of Spiffeh/A50

For me, the most likely conclusion is that Bell is lying

[Brian Skies]

He said there has to be at least one scum in <Bell, HP, Gyx, Spiffeh, or A50> based on Bell claiming to protect Imperium and Imperiium dying anyway, and that he just didn't really believe Bell. But I'm also pretty sure he was pushing Bell yesterday.

Do you disagree that there has to be at least one scum in that pool?

[superbowl9]

Says the strongman has to be someone and he doesn't think anyone is the strongman so therefore there is no strongman and bell is lying. Like wtf?

Pedit: yes there's at least 1 scum in that pool, but that has no bearing on there being a strongman or not!!! Am I going insane?!

[Brian Skies]

If there's no strongman or other role to interfere with Bell's action, then the simplest and probably correct solution is that Bell is just lying.

Do you disagree?

[superbowl9]

Correct we agree there. Now tell me why there's no strongman

[Brian Skies]

No one said there wasn't a strongman. Dunn just doesn't like Bell this game, as evidenced by him wanting to eliminate Bell YESTERDAY.

[Brian Skies]

And maybe if you actually read the game when you had the chance to, you would have known this.

[superbowl9]

EXACTLY SO THERE IS NO SETUP REASONING POINTING TO DUNN NOT SCUM, BELL LYING, ETC. ETC. WHICH WAS MY POINT THE WHOLE TIME

[superbowl9]

So dunn arguing that setup indicates bell is just pure bs!! WHICH IS WHAT IM SAYING

[Brian Skies]

EXACTLY SO THERE IS NO SETUP REASONING POINTING TO DUNN NOT SCUM, BELL LYING, ETC. ETC. WHICH WAS MY POINT THE WHOLE TIME

Cool. But none of this makes Dunn scum, or his setup spec scummy. So...what's your point in all this?

[Hench Princesses]

yeah I disagree that we should assume scum have no complex roles, we haven't seen a redflip yet and scum probably have multi-part roles given how complex the setup is generally. I disagreed with Titus on Brian because I think Brian's town's role makes more sense for town and because Brian looks townie off play, not because I thought her argument that his role could not also be a strongman was invalid. Likewise, I see no reason to think Annie's role could not be a strongman. I don't think we have enough information about the setup to effectively strongman hunt, although if anything I can see Annie having being the strongman more easily now than when I thought they were a PT cop. In any case there's six scum and town is about to lose the game so hitting red is more important than anything else. Given spiffeh turnstiled out there's not even a mechanical guarantee the strongman is even still in the thread (not fosing spiffeh just saying trying to poe down the strongman is gonna be ruff).

Rolestopper doesn't have any weird interaction with strongman right?

-E