Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[DkKoba]

[Datisi]

Vote count 2.01

with 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-01-12 15:30:00).

execution

Amélie [1]:

Not_Mafia

Publish the List! [1]:

DkKoba

Not Voting [6]:

clidd, Infinity 324, Ahsoka, Raya36, Gimli son of Glóin, Amélie

game state

Doom Counter

is currently at

zero

.
~ With

3

Mafia alive, the Town will be endgamed once they are brought down to

3

members.

Previously published lists:
~ none

mod notes

~ goddammit
~ beep

[DkKoba]

goddammit

its a good picture ok

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Just so we're clear, the doom counter suggestion being brought up right now is that we trade one elimination for a list of FIVE players that the MAFIA picked. If we hit the button and we miselim today, we LOSE THE GAME. The list can be completely useless as mafia picked it for us.

If you're town and you think this is reasonable, I suggest some you do some reflection on it.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I trust my fellow team mates to think logically. We should play this montainous, my friends! Find the town and win the game, it doesn't get any simpler than that.

[Not_Mafia]

You need a scum elim before using the list thing

[Raya36]

876
I'm starting to more strongly consider I might be wrong about my scumread on clidd. Most of my evidence was from early game and I'm starting to feel less strong about it. I'm no longer concerned that he was trying to set up a push on Volxen and I also haven't seen any noticeable similar behavior. The reaction test thing still doesn't make sense to me as it couldn't have possibly created a useful reaction but I'm willing to accept that sometimes town does things that don't make sense. I do need to iso him again to solidify this. I'm going to move Clidd to my idk/null pool for now. The interactions Gimli went over about clidd are interesting as well and I agree with the points made. The reasons I hesitate to call clidd a townread are 1) I haven't has a chance to iso him in depth and 2) I remember him having a strong scumgame in the past.

I have had a consistent townread on Gimli and his D2 opening only supports this. I'm wary to locktown but if I were to locktown anyone it would be Gimli. He has shown consistent in depth analysis which I tend to find myself in agreement with. If he's right about clidd being town then it's interesting to note that during my early interactions with clidd he townread both sides. He said he agrees with my logic which means he could have easily joined me on the scumread and attempted to pocket me through the townread on me, but he didn't. You can also see a lot of read progression and natural changing of his mind which also supports him being town.

I agree based on the Ahsoka/Koba interactions that they are likely not partners. I had a very hard time reading the interaction but did not find much that made sense as far as scum motivation, outside of distancing of course. Another thing that makes me agree with this is the kind of odd posts or stretches. A svs interaction should be more well thought out to appear more natural. I still townread Ahsoka for the reasons I mentioned in my sorting post.

I don't think I'm following the 287 and 288 point about Horsewoman and Koba? Could you go into more depth with that?


My first impression of the NM hammer was just that it was a typical NM play. But NM made 0 comment about Lostego or that slot all game besides a blank vote mid day, they were insistent on Radja. My main concern is scum!NM is using his playstyle to quickhammer and slide by with limited suspicion. And not addressing the quickhammer supports this. PoE also makes NM quite likely to be scum. I need an explanation for why Lostego was scum/why the quickhammer, and an explanation for why Radja is scum.

gimli why did you put lostego at e-1?

Why are you questioning Gimli rather than NM who quickhammered?

I very much disagree with Koba's read on Gimli.

Just so we're clear, the doom counter suggestion being brought up right now is that we trade one elimination for a list of FIVE players that the MAFIA picked. If we hit the button and we miselim today, we LOSE THE GAME. The list can be completely useless as mafia picked it for us.

If you're town and you think this is reasonable, I suggest some you do some reflection on it.

I'm also concerned about using the list but I do think it would be much more useful than you're making it out to be. Regardless of if it was picked by the mafia, the list serves to help town. I get that if we miselim with the list, we lose, but town is still at a huge disadvantage without the list. 5v3 is going to allow for heavy scum influence and we need all the help we can get. Let's say we don't publish the list and miselim again. DC=3, Town=4. Then we're at the same place we'd be today but with no info or opportunity to publish the list.

[DkKoba]

i dont question NM because this is how NM plays and is NAI for them to hammer there.

[DkKoba]

they didnt have lostego slot marked as town so them hammering there checks out as far as logic goes.

[Raya36]

i dont question NM because this is how NM plays and is NAI for them to hammer there.

So you're just going to let it slide? There's a good chance NM is scum here and your interactions and posts so far D2 show no suspicion on that slot

[Raya36]

they didnt have lostego slot marked as town so them hammering there checks out as far as logic goes.

They had nobody marked as town. So you would've been ok with NM quickhammering anyone?

[Not_Mafia]

i dont question NM because this is how NM plays and is NAI for them to hammer there.

So you're just going to let it slide? There's a good chance NM is scum here and your interactions and posts so far D2 show no suspicion on that slot

I'm town

[Raya36]

i dont question NM because this is how NM plays and is NAI for them to hammer there.

So you're just going to let it slide? There's a good chance NM is scum here and your interactions and posts so far D2 show no suspicion on that slot

I'm town

yeah.. I believe that. Can you answer my questions from earlier?

[Not_Mafia]

What were they?

[Raya36]

I need an explanation for why Lostego was scum/why the quickhammer, and an explanation for why Radja is scum.

[Not_Mafia]

I hammered cos I felt like it and Radja is obvscum

[Infinity 324]

I feel like it's probably not correct to use the list. The list is most helpful later on in the game. Right now, the scum can just say "2 people out of these 5 are scum" and it changes our probability of hitting scum from 1/3 to 2/5, which isn't much of an improvement.

@gimli Have you played with n_m before?

[Raya36]

I hammered cos I felt like it and Radja is obvscum

Why is Radja obvscum?

[Not_Mafia]

I hammered cos I felt like it and Radja is obvscum

Why is Radja obvscum?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=26121

[clidd]

I should have been more communicative about my impression on Volxen/Lostego.

At least the flip must have helped to read my slot better, although it is not so personally suggestive to me.

[Not_Mafia]

I should have been more communicative about my impression on Volxen/Lostego.

At least the flip must have helped to read my slot better, although it is not so personally suggestive to me.

Why are you making lostego's elimination about you?

[clidd]

876 is very transparent. I don't understand how there can be people scumreading Gimli.

[Infinity 324]

I don't understand how that's not fakeable?

[clidd]

Do you think it's fake?

[Infinity 324]

I don't think there's anything in particular that makes it towny. I find that it's not too hard for scum to fake a step-by-step logic process like that. And he keeps writing stuff like this

all of her posting to clidd (216-18-21-22-31-34) is the most genuinely towny thought process anyone has made in this game.

which just feels like the part he would want to explain in depth if town. But it's mostly a gut read, I admit.