Yellowstone

[Noraa]

Honestly at this point, no matter what we do, this is a town loss because jacko's vote we need but they're too tunneled to do anything protown.

[Marky Mark]

--pedit: you are a good player and I honestly think town!you would have an awareness of the vote #s. I would buy this maaaybe D1 if there was like 7 votes to keep track of, but I'm pretty sure you can count to 4, especially given the proximity of a votecount to your time of voting.

why would I?

To secure a miselim before town consensus changed (eg consider Mom's unvote almost immediately after your quickhammer)

--pedit another ATE

[Noraa]

pedit another ATE

Mhm definitely.

[Noraa]

Infinity, help me.

[Noraa]

Infinity, help me.

You are town's last hope. Help me.

[Noraa]

Infinity I found an entrance gif for you:

[Marky Mark]

I will give it this evening to see if infin has anything ground-brraking to say, but still planning to bite Noraa unless there's some earth-shattering argument I've missed that infin can bring to light

[Infinity 324]

I haven't read up, I had a migraine today

@Mark: I don't think JV/DGB is possible because the setup wouldn't pass balance. Theoretically the other scum could be a roleblocker

So let's say DGB is scum here (as you seem to think). That would mean that they would have to have some unusual modifier or JV would be dead if telling the truth.

I can see arguments for a DGB/JV scumteam here (no kill N2 makes more sense if claimed RB is scum) or for Noraa (quickhammer d4) but I'm finding it hard to see DGB being scum here without JV. Who do you see as being a potential partner?

I was looking at some mini-normals to get an idea of how many PRs in a 13p is typical and consider this game with masons - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83883 where there are 3 masons w/ a mason+, no other TPRs and multiple scum PRs. If that's balanced, then are you trying to tell me that 6 TPRs here is balanced?? As that is what we would have if DGB/JV are town.

You or noraa is the partner.

You keep talking about 6 TPRs, but one of those is a PGO, which is negative utility. One of those is a fruit vendor, which barely adds anything. One of those is DGB, who is scum. The masons and JV have all the power in the town. Yeah it's a decent amount of power but it's by no means super townsided.

[Infinity 324]

Scum could have no-killed/cross-killed to set up three Town eliminations at once. Vax followed by the blocked (Gills), followed by DGB themself which is actually playing out right now to be completely honest.

But it's not 3 elims if DGB blocked noraa which it was probably going to do lmao

You're literally not nightkilling in order to guilty your own teammate. It makes zero fucking sense and nothing anyone has said has convinced me otherwise.

[Infinity 324]

Ok so it's mark/DGB.

VOTE: DGB

[Noraa]

Scum could have no-killed/cross-killed to set up three Town eliminations at once. Vax followed by the blocked (Gills), followed by DGB themself which is actually playing out right now to be completely honest.

But it's not 3 elims if DGB blocked noraa which it was probably going to do lmao

You're literally not nightkilling in order to guilty your own teammate. It makes zero fucking sense and nothing anyone has said has convinced me otherwise.

Town!DGB Scum!Noraa isn't possible and this^ is the reason.

Jacko you think {DGB, Noraa} has scum. If its not Town!DGB Scum!Noraa, its Scum!DGB Town!Noraa

[Noraa]

Ok so it's mark/DGB.

VOTE: DGB

Thank you lord for making Infinity a not tunneled asf player.

[Noraa]

Infinity-Noraa town block

DGB-Marky scum
Jacko third scum

[Noraa]

Jacko's vote is what we need to win this game. He will be the decider of if town loses or wins.

[Infinity 324]

All of mark's logic points towards DGB being scum, but he's gonna vote noraa anyway. Make that make sense.

[Noraa]

All of mark's logic points towards DGB being scum, but he's gonna vote noraa anyway. Make that make sense.

+1

OML INFINITY I FUCKING LOVE YOU.

[Infinity 324]

JV can you at least look at the d1 interactions to see if they make any sense if me/noraa are the team?

[Noraa]

Mark's basically like:
scum team is DGB/Jacko
but Noraa hammered, therefore I vote noraa

[Noraa]

JV can you at least look at the d1 interactions to see if they make any sense if me/noraa are the team?

The possible teams from jackos perspective:
Noraa/DGB - anyone that thinks this is possible is batshit stupid and im not taking that back
Noraa/Marky - I could see why some people could see this as possible
Noraa/Infinity - I dont tunnel my partner like that ever unless they are at least UTR
Marky/Infinity - Impossible otherwise DGB would've been lolhammered by the two and we'd be in post game rn
Marky/DGB - everything fucking points to this solve
Infinity/DGB - possible. not likely.

Now lets cross out a few

Noraa/DGB - anyone that thinks this is possible is batshit stupid and im not taking that back

Noraa/Marky - I could see why some people could see this as possible

Noraa/Infinity - I dont tunnel my partner like that ever unless they are at least UTR

Marky/Infinity - Impossible otherwise DGB would've been lolhammered by the two and we'd be in post game rn

Marky/DGB - everything fucking points to this solve
Infinity/DGB - possible. not likely.


Only possible solves are
Noraa/Marky
Marky/DGB
Infinity/DGB

[Noraa]

It is Marky/DGB and Momrangal is a damn genius. I didnt realize it yesterday bc I was blind.

[Infinity 324]

This still feels like scum to me tho. Sending.
VOTE: Horsewoman

This vote was not really backed up by mark's previous reads (he had been going back and forth on horse), and happened right as the DGB wagon was gaining traction.

[Noraa]

Its pretty clear as day that Marky and DGB are scum here.
Marky keeps saying scum team is DGB/Jacko just to make it look like he has townie paranoia. But townie paranoia is not what townies have here. Here it is clear as day what the solve is and we are waiting for one person to finally realize it.

[Noraa]

This still feels like scum to me tho. Sending.
VOTE: Horsewoman

This vote was not really backed up by mark's previous reads (he had been going back and forth on horse), and happened right as the DGB wagon was gaining traction.

DGB also never SRed pig fully but blocked him cuz ????????????

[Noraa]

This is what's happened this game:

Night 1:
Jacko killed toog
scum killed toog

Night 2:
Vax "killed" flea
scum no killed

Night 3
scum killed math

Night 4
scum killed mom

[Infinity 324]

Yeah the mason's instincts were on point, it was kind of a tinfoil but now that we have no other explanation for the missing kill n2 it has to be a gambit. If it's a gambit, scum needed to have control over the guilty for it to make sense.