Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[clidd]

Hum.

I understand what you are saying, although I have been getting a towny impression of Gimli during much of the game.

[clidd]

I'm comfortable with Raya being town and you too, Infinity.

But I think I'll want to see the list, considering that I'm not so sure on Amélie being scum vs NM being scum.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

can't post rn but why do you think the list will help with that?

[clidd]

I confess that I have a seed of internal doubt about Gimli.

I think that four or five slots, including players who are no longer in the game, have expressed some doubt about Gimli and I don't know how to face the fact that I am not sympathizing with it. I would have to assume that my vision is right and all of these players are wrong or scum, which would be very arrogant on my part and statistically more unlikely to be true.

pedit: A mechanical aid may be useful to clarify any loose ends not only in my reads, but in others too.

[clidd]

Or, if we aren't using it, I would like to eliminate between Amélie and NM.

Particularly, I think NM is being pushed a lot less than I would think of town!NM vs three scums and as nothing he said or did until now is suggestive enough to infer a specific alignment, the initial impression I described is the way I'm seeing the slot rn.

Radja/Amélie share the same color in the sense of apathy and I believe that the reads that Amélie shared are very easy to manufacture and do not satisfactorily indicate a desire to resolve the game.

[Infinity 324]

If we have a bunch of correct townreads, then publishing the list seems like a good idea, because we can PoE it down really well. But I don't have too many confident townreads and my scumreads are more confident. I'm worried that a wrong TR on Raya or something will mess up our PoE and cause a mislim.

PEdit: raya and gimli are pushing nm, but fair.

[Not_Mafia]

Or, if we aren't using it, I would like to eliminate between Amélie and NM.

Particularly, I think NM is being pushed a lot less than I would think of town!NM vs three scums and as nothing he said or did until now is suggestive enough to infer a specific alignment, the initial impression I described is the way I'm seeing the slot rn.

Radja/Amélie share the same color in the sense of apathy and I believe that the reads that Amélie shared are very easy to manufacture and do not satisfactorily indicate a desire to resolve the game.

Scum are keeping my around for LyLo

[clidd]

Well, if you are town and you think I'm town having bad reads, you must try to make me understand it.

It is similar to what I said to Dk during our discussion. You have to slap me hard in the face to wake me up, because from my perspective I don't know the difference between being dreaming or being lucid.

pedit: Kind of meh, but still a possibility.

[clidd]

But yeah, I agree that the list is more useful if we have a strong TR base.

So maybe it is more valuable to reevaluate what we already know before consolidating (I will go back in my consolidation of Gimli and Raya, although they still TRs to me).



Is Ahsoka there?

[Infinity 324]

Can you expand on your gimli thoughts more? I'm not sure what I said now that convinced you when you weren't convinced before.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

pedit: A mechanical aid may be useful to clarify any loose ends not only in my reads, but in others too.

that's not enough for me. I'd really like to understand how exactly can you parse out NM and amélie through a list. Maybe give me an example of how would that work? You understand if we use the list and miselim today, we lose the game?

Honestly your posts this gameday are confusing me. I'm gonna trust my work in this thread and not bother too much, but I really expected you of all people to see that using the doomcounter is a mechanical throw. Also it all seems very lazy from where I stand, but I'm not gonna hold you to a higher standard than everyone else I guess.

Raya, I'll respond to you tomorrow.

Infinity, I have not played with not mafia before.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

The list is even worse if we have a strong base. If we have a strong base, then we need to flip the people in the POE, not use a list the mafia made and lose one flip with it.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

infinity, who are your confident scumreads?

[Infinity 324]

If we can agree on 4 townreads, the list would have to look like this:

2 UTRs
1 other town
2 scum

Leaving:
2 UTRs
1 scum

Which actually guarantees hitting scum if we elim outside the list. So publishing the list would be very good in that scenario, and I think it's still beneficial if we can agree on 3 townreads. I just don't think that's possible.

PEdit: you and amelie

[clidd]

Can you expand on your gimli thoughts more? I'm not sure what I said now that convinced you when you weren't convinced before.

I will (when more available in time)

[Gimli son of Glóin]

if we had 4 townreads, the game would already be over by POE alone since mafia can never reach parity. Even in your description using the list would be completely pointless.

[clidd]

pedit: A mechanical aid may be useful to clarify any loose ends not only in my reads, but in others too.

that's not enough for me. I'd really like to understand how exactly can you parse out NM and amélie through a list. Maybe give me an example of how would that work? You understand if we use the list and miselim today, we lose the game?

Honestly your posts this gameday are confusing me. I'm gonna trust my work in this thread and not bother too much, but I really expected you of all people to see that using the doomcounter is a mechanical throw. Also it all seems very lazy from where I stand, but I'm not gonna hold you to a higher standard than everyone else I guess.

Raya, I'll respond to you tomorrow.

Infinity, I have not played with not mafia before.

I've been in "hit or miss" situations and this kind of scenario doesn't intimidate me too much, but I understand that it might not be as advantageous as it seems.

Regarding the list, it depends on what's on it. It can either have a very significant impact on my reads or slightly suggest a change.

And as you probably saw, my brain works differently. I'm trying to filter out this set of negative impressions that have been raised over your slot and measure whether my reads on you is correct or not.

[clidd]

Actually, I think we can stop speculating about ''x'' or ''y'' scenarios using the list and etc.

Perhaps going back to the ''this is town or scum'' stage individually is better.

Depending on how the game flows, we won't even need to use the list if we are successful in identifying each slot.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

you still didn't answer how you could possibly parse out who is scum and who isn't between nm and amélie, but that's ok. I'm upset with your mechanics more than anything else.

pedit: yes that's great

[clidd]

I'm guessing that I would probably know after seeing the list, depending on who was on it.

Or not and I would have to use any information, however small, from the list

[clidd]

Changing the subject, I would like opinions about Amélie. I believe she is an interesting slot to figure out in the current gamestate.

I still have to book a time to answer 939 properly.

[Not_Mafia]

She's scum

[clidd]

By the way, I liked your 906, Raya.

I believe that the proportion that you attributed to the development of your read about me, without losing the careful approach to not conclude anything in a hasty way, reflected me very organic.

I fear that everything I demonstrated in this game so far is still within my scumrange, but that shouldn't be a problem if you keep evaluating me correctly (which I believe you are).

[Infinity 324]

if we had 4 townreads, the game would already be over by POE alone since mafia can never reach parity. Even in your description using the list would be completely pointless.

True, I do think it would be advantageous if we could agree on 3 TRs though, right? Since instead of trying to find 3 scum out of 5, it narrows it to finding 2 scum out of 3.

Anyway, I agree that it's not correct to publish here.

[Infinity 324]

Ehh, even then, maybe it wouldn't be worth a mislim. You might be right. It's hard to judge how valuable the ability to PoE later on is worth, but we can always publish a later list once we've hit scum.