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Luca Blight · Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:15 am

I feel as though Grendel has put a lot of effort into looking Townie and solving, asking questions etc, but I don't see a lot of substance behind a lot of his questions, and most of his play has been on the safe side. Asking questions to the thread etc seems an easy way to look productive without actually doing much.

One of the reasons I TR him was because of the way he handled the argument between myself and Lunar, but the above quote again shows he was very aware of it being a townie thing to do.

Trendall · Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:25 am

For me Grendel really just reminds me of another player I played a game with who I was sorta low-key suspicious of all game and then just eventually turned out to be town.

Luca Blight · Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:33 am

I hadn't really found him suspicious at all, though. It's pretty much the opposite as his posts look decent for the most part, but like he's actively trying to look as Townie as possible.

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:01 am

In post 1014, Galron wrote:I'm still agnostic on Bugs tbh, probably town lean. Their willingness to share info from the hood but only after getting the okay doesn't seem like something mafia would do.

Why don't you think Mafia would do that? This feels like a cheap attempt at simulating re-evaluation.

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:02 am

In post 1016, Galron wrote:The more I look at Lunar's recent, the less I want to eliminate there today. They're starting to look like defensive town rather than defensive scum.

UNVOTE: Lunar Martian

How is anything I've said today different than yesterday? If both Town and Mafia could be defensive, what makes you think I'm town suddenly?

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:09 am

This game feels like it's simpler than it seems and Mafia are mostly coasting by in low-activity slots. Every time we pressure someone they turn out to be Town, or get protected by a claim. That suggests that the scum are in slots we aren't pressuring, or are protected by claims.

I think these people are Town: Luca (a grudging Townread, I think he's overconfident and should chill out a bit), Frogster (same as Luca), NoPower (or am I confused?), OutWorldER, Grendel. Galron I go back and forth on.

That leaves these people: bugs, Mom, Gamma (and Gamma is probably town), and Trendall.

Without a major revelation I don't think I want to eliminate outside of those four today.

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:10 am

I was confused. Add NoPower to the potential Mafia list.

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:11 am

My hero solve looks something like: NoPower, bugs, Trendall. Throw in Mom for an extra, and put Gamma in the Town boat.
I think I'd prefer to kill bugs or NoPower today, and I don't know how many other people are willing to go bugs, so VOTE: NoPower

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:22 am

I took a look at Trendall's posts, and here is a (rather long) post with some highlights. After reading this I like my hero solve a lot more. Trendall has not done a whole lot this game except sheep me, defend me, discredit Frogster's pseudo-psychoanalysis, and try not to take firm stands.

In post 322, Trendall wrote:
In post 299, Lunar Martian wrote:I think this page says either Gamma or Luca is Mafia.
I agree with this post and happy to get either of those players.

Sheeping me.

In post 323, Trendall wrote:Actually not Luca necessarily, it's more that I'm happy to eliminate Gamma.

Changes his mind for ??? reason, but suggests that Trendall is not Mafia with Gamma.

In post 435, Trendall wrote:The NoPowerOverMe wagon sounds like it has been generated or influenced by mafia, yeah.

Discredits the NoPower wagon but doesn't really give any reasoning or alternatives.

In post 469, Trendall wrote:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: OutWorldER

He hadn't even mentioned ER prior to this, no reasoning given, but I think this vote is sheeping me, as I recall.

In post 551, Trendall wrote:Lunar Martian seems like town to me.

Now I start to come under pressure and who is there to defend me? Trendall.

In post 552, Trendall wrote:Actually I don't think either of these wagons now are any good.

This is a pretty cheap statement to make with no reasoning, and suggests possible TMI.

In post 699, Trendall wrote:I had a look at Lunar's ISO and I didn't find anything wrong with them really.

Again, defending me.

In post 770, Trendall wrote:
In post 705, Frogsterking wrote:You know Luca I was thinking about your case and I actually don't believe the meta change is AI, I think Lunar did better in the Newbie game because he was only in one game and the other players were new.
And there are fewer players (9 instead of 13 makes a huge difference), there are different players, it's an open setup, the roles are more basic, it took place at a different time in their life.....

Really doubling down on defending me. It kind of feels like an attempt to pocket me.

In post 827, Trendall wrote:I don't mind voting bugspray but I don't think it's the best elimination. They could be maf tho.

So what exactly is Trendall's opinion of bugs? Can anyone tell me after reading this post? Feels like being unsure how to approach a wagon on a fellow Mafia.

In post 998, Trendall wrote:I love personality tests and all this sort of thing, I just think the way that you in particular are trying to apply them to this game is bad.

Discrediting Frogster features heavily in Trendall's posts.

In post 1015, Trendall wrote:
In post 1013, Frogsterking wrote:I don't see how scum!Trendall or scum!bugs are expecting to win the game playing today the way they have, unless they are expecting OutWorldER or some deep scum to carry them.
I'm in favour of eliminating OutWorldER though.

This suggests that ER is town and bugs is Mafia.

In post 1026, Trendall wrote:For me Grendel really just reminds me of another player I played a game with who I was sorta low-key suspicious of all game and then just eventually turned out to be town.

Another statement that's super cheap to make. It doesn't actually say anything and allows Trendall to come down on either side later.

VOTE: Trendall

Again, sorry that's so long.

Grendel · Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:46 am

In post 983, bugspray wrote:there's info on the hood that im reluctant to share publicly because if scum isn't in it it would be good for them to know

Well... Ok then

Grendel · Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:54 am

In post 1027, Luca Blight wrote:I hadn't really found him suspicious at all, though. It's pretty much the opposite as his posts look decent for the most part, but like he's actively trying to look as Townie as possible.

I feel similarly about you tbh

You went into detail on your trendell read.can you do the same on your Momrangul read?

GeorgeBailey · Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:38 pm

Votecount 2.2

Lunar Martian(2)

~ Frogsterking(12), NoPowerOverMe(4)

Trendall(1)

~ Lunar Martian(9)

Frogsterking(1)

~ OutWorldER(6)

Not Voting (7): Trendall(6), Momrangal(0), bugspray(6), Gamma Emerald(1), Grendel(7), Galron(3), Luca Blight(20)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-13 20:42:20)

FLAVOR

frame 16 out of 19035

Trendall · Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:37 pm

In post 1033, Lunar Martian wrote:who is there to defend me? Trendall.

Lol I won't waste my time then. Let's all get this then because there was a fair amount of support for eliminating Lunar yesterday, so we can just like, get it done now.

VOTE: Lunar Martian

Luca Blight · Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:24 pm

Finally some decent content from Lunar. I’m not sure why it took you so long.

@Grendel

: Momrangal is one of the slots I fully intend on reviewing today.

NoPowerOverMe · Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:36 pm

Town shouldn't require pressure to get content.

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:14 pm

In post 1039, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Town shouldn't require pressure to get content.

Two votes isn't exactly pressure. Note how after calling me town and pressuring me all day yesterday now that I finger him, Trendall votes me "because there was a fair amount of support for eliminating Lunar yesterday" and wants to "get it done now".

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:16 pm

In post 1033, Lunar Martian wrote:Now I start to come under pressure and who is there to defend me? Trendall.

Why is this a big deal?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:16 pm

I’ll note that Trendall’s response left much to be desired though

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 1038, Luca Blight wrote:Finally some decent content from Lunar. I’m not sure why it took you so long.

@Grendel
: Momrangal is one of the slots I fully intend on reviewing today.

It's my first venture out of Newbie games. I'm still learning and it took me a while to find my legs.

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:18 pm

In post 1041, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1033, Lunar Martian wrote:Now I start to come under pressure and who is there to defend me? Trendall.
Why is this a big deal?

It's just odd, since Trendall seemed very confident I was Town but never really explained why other than "there's nothing bad there".

Luca Blight · Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:19 pm

This seems much more like Town!Lunar from the meta I linked earlier.

I think I’d prefer a Bugs elim still but I’m willing to consider Trendall.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 1044, Lunar Martian wrote:
In post 1041, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1033, Lunar Martian wrote:Now I start to come under pressure and who is there to defend me? Trendall.
Why is this a big deal?
It's just odd, since Trendall seemed very confident I was Town but never really explained why other than "there's nothing bad there".

That seems like a legitimate point
I’ll review Trendall soon and decide whether I want to go there or not

Trendall · Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:24 pm

In post 1044, Lunar Martian wrote:It's just odd, since Trendall seemed very confident

I did two posts about you I think. One said

"Lunar Martian seems like town to me"

and the other said

"I had a look at Lunar's ISO and I didn't find anything wrong with them really"

. If you want to interpret that as somebody who is 'very confident' then there's not a lot I can do about that.

OutWorldER · Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:36 pm

VOTE: Bugspray

not gonna get people to vote Frogster today and I'm still confident they're red.

Lunar Martian · Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:41 pm

In post 1047, Trendall wrote:
In post 1044, Lunar Martian wrote:It's just odd, since Trendall seemed very confident
I did two posts about you I think. One said
"Lunar Martian seems like town to me"
and the other said
"I had a look at Lunar's ISO and I didn't find anything wrong with them really"
. If you want to interpret that as somebody who is 'very confident' then there's not a lot I can do about that.

If you weren't confident why go out of your way to defend me the way you did?