Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Ahsoka]

957 is a reasonable interpretation of my attitude.

But the rest of the post seems a little traveled.

pedit: I'm towreading Infinity and I don't see how a vote for both of us would carry more weight than slots like Amélie or NM. I don't know if I understood your reasoning.

It seems to me that you are coming by associations instead of scumreading individually? correct me if I'm wrong.

pedit²: I still don't understand, I'll reread your posts.

We're in a gamelock, dude. And I've literally been pushing you since Day 1, so how is that by associations? Before it was specifically you vs Dkkoba based on individual reasons.

Explain your Infinity town read then.

Also, you stated that you think Gimli, Raya, and Infinity are town, yet you aren't pushing me or Kkoba, which is incredibly scummy. If you legit saw those 3 as town, from a town POV, and you specifically stated you thought 1 of Amelie/Not Mafia.

This implies you should be specifically thinking Dkkoba and I are scum.

[Ahsoka]

I feel like if koba was trying to control the game d1, they did a really bad job of it and overextended themselves. In the early d1 of bending they played a lot more reserved so they could actually gain people's respect and people listened to them sometimes. They did peter out, but that was more a function of not posting a ton of content than anything else.

What do you mean they did a bad job?

Gimli and I are the only ones pushing them as scum, I believe, and even then, I'm only having it in the POE because I can see it coming from town Dkkoba.

How did they do a bad job controlling the game? ScumDkkoba is not in a bad spot at all this game, and you're hard defending them.

If you are town, and Dkkoba is scum, they absolutely did not do a bad job of it.

[Ahsoka]

I feel like you guys are trying to wiggle out from me solving the game, when from my POV, it's impossible for scum to not be within the 3 of you.

[clidd]

[clidd]

Ok, let me take a look pbp again.

I'm on mobile.

[Infinity 324]

Not that they did a bad job of looking town, quite the opposite. They did a bad job of getting people to listen to them. Now no one is going to follow koba onto a wagon since everyone thinks they're bad at the game and are probably going to change their vote in 2 pages or something.

PEdit: I'm trying to work with you. I don't think clidd and koba are both scum because their interactions don't feel like scum theater, but I could see one of them being scum.

[clidd]

I'm here. I still think Dkkoba/Clidd/Infinity 100% have scum in them

I don't think 100%, but I can see Dk being scum instead of Infinity.

[Ahsoka]

Not that they did a bad job of looking town, quite the opposite. They did a bad job of getting people to listen to them. Now no one is going to follow koba onto a wagon since everyone thinks they're bad at the game and are probably going to change their vote in 2 pages or something.

PEdit: I'm trying to work with you. I don't think clidd and koba are both scum because their interactions don't feel like scum theater, but I could see one of them being scum.

I stated if I'm wrong, then Raya can fill the slot.

I'm not not working with you guys, so I don't understand the "im trying to work with you comment".

I'm giving my reasons for scum reading you, I'm not calling you lock scum or anything. There is scum within you. This is not a debate for me. That's a fact, and with my posts, you can see exactly why that is the case.

It's essentially a POE grid.

And you are assuming that Dkkoba was playing in a way to get people to listen to them. They could have easily been trying to just have momentum gained, and this is more what I think. Their vote on Lostego helped momentum and got people to listen to me, not them.

That wagon happened extremely fast.

I guess there is the idea that Dkkoba/Gimli have 1 scum in them, and if you scumread Gimli, this makes some sense to town read Dkkoba, I just don't think Gimli is scum.

He protected me in ways that don't make sense coming from scum. Like, he has empowered me a lot this game, so if you’re pushing Gimli scum, you should probably push me as scum as well.

[Ahsoka]

I'm here. I still think Dkkoba/Clidd/Infinity 100% have scum in them

I don't think 100%, but I can see Dk being scum instead of Infinity.

It's only not 100% if you think Gimli is scum, something you stated you are town reading, alongside Raya.

Like, there's no reason it isn't a 100% for you here considering you also stated Amlie vs Not Mafia has 1 scum.

[Ahsoka]

I don't think you are both town, and I even think both of you could be scum here based on the way you keep trying to shut down my cases on people other than yourselves yet aren't pushing me as scum.

It feels like scum who are playing reserved because I have strong reads which makes it incredibly rough to push me.

Like if you guys are both scum here, and Dkkoba is town, this makes sense to me based on this conversation.

I'm essentially waiting to see if I see you guys try to reverse things around to help you out, because you will have to here.

If there is town in the 2 of you, I can't tell which is more likely town at this point.

I have more reasons to scum read Clidd, though, so on second thought, I guess I town read Infinity by default, I just really thought the Amelie/Gimli thread was poor.

Alternatively, one of you could have pocketed the other, which also makes it hard to discern between the two of you. I just don't know which would be the pockee or the pocketeer.

[Infinity 324]

When I'm lost in a game, I try to find someone who I'm confident is town and bounce reads off them. Oddly enough, you're the closest thing I have to a confident TR. Obviously we have different views of the gamestate, but the engagement has been helpful I think.

I can easily see gimli's defense of you as a WK/pocket. But I'll think about this more tomorrow.

[clidd]

Gimli's never scum here, so people pushing that have scum there.

And scum have almost half the playerlist now, so they're definitely in the active players.

I needed a break so I haven't really mentally been here, but I'll try and do some analysis sometime soon.

What confused me the most is that more than three players pusher strange angles in relation to Gimli, including Lostego. And while I agree that Gimli is at the top of my TRs, I don't think it's wise to ignore those points. I know there are three scums, but it would be very obvious a connection between them if they all agreed to discredit a possible obvtown position for Gimli, when they could keep him in an intermediate towny position to appear organic.

It makes sense to have active scum, but it is a vague assumption to attribute this to all scums. NM and Amélie probably have scum and are not as vocally active slots.

[clidd]

Pushed*

[clidd]

Ok, question: Me and Infinity being town make you scum by poe, pov or etc?

[Ahsoka]

Ok, question: Me and Infinity being town make you scum by poe, pov or etc?

No, we could be all town if Raya is scum, but then this would mean the team is exactly Raya, Dkkoba, and 1 of NM/Amelie

[Ahsoka]

or i could just be wrong on Gimli, but I don't have that read. Swordfighting like this can open things up, to be fair, so if I'm wrong, I feel I'll see it eventually.

[DkKoba]

ashoka is playing an agenda and purposefully glossing over facts. I jusr woke up(my sleep schedule is fucked) but I'll explain later.

[DkKoba]

still think clidd is way too complacent lmfao

[clidd]

[clidd]

I'm just trying to not be wrong.

[clidd]

You can see the level of my indecision when a slot that was almost lock-town for me starts to be questioned by myself internally.

[Infinity 324]

The way you did it didn't feel genuine though. You were like "how does gimli's last post ever come from scum" and I repeated a point that I had been saying for a while (gimli not going into depth in the places where I feel like he should) and then you said "ok I can kinda see that".

[Amélie]

I forgot about this game. I'll get back to this first thing after work I promise.

[clidd]

Not really, Infinity. My internal process goes far beyond what appears on the surface.

[clidd]

But yeah, I didn't try to organically convey my doubt as I could have.