Mini Normal 2185 | EFoBBBiO | Game Over!

[Luca Blight]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

It would be unusual to have an all-Town hood in this scenario imo, but I realise such things can be deliberately included in games to mislead. I once played a normal with a backup Tracker, and a scum who was informed of there being a backup Tracker, but no actual Tracker in the game, which lead to some confusing scenes.

I'd be happy to get away from the neighborhood spec until later in the game when more info about the setup will be available.

[Grendel]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

Is this why you didn't have much of a reaction to Bug claiming the same role as you yesterday?

[Luca Blight]

What are you thinking, Grendel?

What's your read on Bugs currently?

[Luca Blight]

And why did you specifically ask for reads about me, Trendall and Momrangal earlier?

[Grendel]

gamma was added to the hood at the same time as me and claims to be backup
there is a claimed town investigative role (which one is unclear) that claims to have a green light on npom

I really wish you hadnt outted the info about an investigative in the nieghborhood. Knowing who is in the hood would've helpped me slove the game i think. But now you cant do that without narrowing the PoE for scum hunting town prs significantly. Even if scum are in neighborhood they would be flightly about killing other neighbor prs if they knew it wasnt public knowledge. I dont want to be rude, but this could've been done much better. -.-;

Whats your read on Momrangual?

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Bugs i still town lean. IM just annoyed is all.

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Pre-edit

Im thinking a lot of things. Most of which im not ready to talk about since they dont feel "right" to me. If that makes sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

Is this why you didn't have much of a reaction to Bug claiming the same role as you yesterday?

Yeah
Plus there is Mini 1838 as a strong reminder that town can have duplicate roles

[Grendel]

@Grendel

: Momrangal is one of the slots I fully intend on reviewing today.

Will you be looking at her soon?

[Luca Blight]

Yes, I'm just doing some online work and I'll get to it after I'm finished.

[Grendel]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

Is this why you didn't have much of a reaction to Bug claiming the same role as you yesterday?

Yeah
Plus there is Mini 1838 as a strong reminder that town can have duplicate roles

Haha is that the one with double aseptic townies? I thought about that too when i saw the the double back-up neighbors.

Man i played like crap that game.

Yes, I'm just doing some online work and I'll get to it after I'm finished.

Thank you

[Grendel]

*@Anybody who knows*

What is George Bailey's mod meta? Does he favor mindgame-y set ups?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think he enjoys making puzzle box setups? Ones with a lot of moving parts to them. FYI this is only off 1 completed GBmod game but it was enough of an example to make me think that was his mindset

[Lunar Martian]

I don’t like calling it a recruit
That sounds like someone picked us out to join the hood, when it was just RNG that enabled that

Really? What's the randomness involved?

[Lunar Martian]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

And yet it seems likely that someone is. You trying to encourage us not to think so makes me question you. A few Gamma posts recently have really made me question my thinking about Gamma.

[Lunar Martian]

I looked through the mini normal archives and the only game that had two backups of the same role was a game that had two backup IC's, but no actual IC, so not really comparable to this game.

There have been four members of the hood in total now, right? It would be highly unusual if they were all Town.

I’m not entirely enthused by this mindset regarding the hood
Imo neighborhoods shouldn’t be used as a PoE subset where someone

has to be

scum in it

And yet it seems likely that someone is. You trying to encourage us not to think so makes me question you. A few Gamma posts recently have really made me question my thinking about Gamma.

[Luca Blight]

This is pretty interesting, especially should Bugs flip scum:

VOTE: busy

I can hop on that wagon too

Momrangal, who was voting Outworld, puts Bugs on 4 votes, which is clearly leading wagon at this point.

VOTE: outworlder

But this works better. Pressure isn't going to work on that slot I don't think and I would rather push against someone who is more probable scum

Then she immediately switches her vote back to Outworld, who no-one else is voting. This quick vote-switching can be a cheap scum distancing tool.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: NPOM

I wonder what this'll do

Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

I don't see the progression here. One of the people pushing NPOM was Momrangal herself, who gave absolutely no reasoning at all for her vote. Also, one of these 'crappy' pushes against NPOM came from Bugs, who Momrangal seemingly doesn't want to suspect or pressurize.

[Luca Blight]

It should feel like that because I have been doing questionable things all day trying to get people react.

Like voting NPOM after saying he was town several times

But OWER is a legitimate scum read here and trendall could be playing with me here

Oh, I've just seen this, which somewhat sheds some light on the above.

I need to reflect a little more on this.

[Luca Blight]

I don't really like reaction testing like that. I don't think it's necessary when there's already a lot of content being produced. It just makes you harder to read.

[Luca Blight]

No one here is willing to elim anyone except you and bugspray.

This isn't true, and no I'm not counter-claiming bugs here. Most wagons that have been put on the table today have had support for them, and votes moving towards them.

At the same time, I'm having a harder time convincing OWER to take off.

I would like to see a Lunar scum flip here, tbh because it brings clarity to two other slots in my opinion

She really hasn't given a good reason to vote Outworld, though, as far as I can see. 237 is the only real reason, based on a post from Outworld on page 9, and it really isn't very compelling. She's ridden this scumread ever since then.

Some of Momrangal's points against Lunar late D1 were Ok.

Overall I still have her as null-scum. I do think she could be protecting Bugs. Otherwise, there's not much scummy behaviour to report, but not a lot that strikes me as Townie either.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like calling it a recruit
That sounds like someone picked us out to join the hood, when it was just RNG that enabled that

Really? What's the randomness involved?

Role generation
As for solving in the hood yes there numerically is a decent chance but I think that’s a good way to kill a lot of town fast too if we’re wrong (either that scum in the hood in the first place, or who the scum in it is). I think we should not be voting in the hood exclusively. If that’s a supporting point that’s better.

[Trendall]

Knowing who is in the hood would've helpped me slove the game i think. But now you cant do that without narrowing the PoE for scum hunting town prs significantly.

If you're going to 'solve the game', then actually he can, and it makes no difference because town will just eliminate all the mafia anyway. Like you tell us who the mafia are, we eliminate one tonight, then they kill a PR, then we get the second mafia, then...until we have won. So actually the only remaining thing that needs to happen in this game is that bugs tells Grendel who's in the neighbourhood and we're only a few posts away from this game being done and dusted.

[Luca Blight]

I'm still agnostic on Bugs tbh, probably town lean. Their willingness to share info from the hood but only after getting the okay doesn't seem like something mafia would do.

This is flawed reasoning. What would scum!Bugs gain from immediately outing the info in the thread, when they could inform their buddies through the day chat anyway?

The only thing this point does is counter the argument that Bugs is scum!traitor, but even that's a bit of a stretch.

[Frogsterking]

I'm standing by my behavioral reads that scum are mostly or completely in Lunar/bugs/OutWorldER/Trendall, and that they're now attempting to dig themselves out of the priority of elimination. I think Lunar and OutWorldER are demonstrating this behavior the most clearly.

Lunar's surprising and compelling case on Trendall followed by Trendall's reaction is definitely my favorite thing I've seen all game, and made them both look worse IMO.

I didn't really read Gamma as scum at ALL yesterday but being traitor I could see more so.

[Frogsterking]

Grendel officially moved back down to scum. I just don't like what I'm seeing. Feel like this is a great way to try to pocket Lunar Martian. I just don't like it.

He was at L-1 with an intended hammer.

I asked you earlier, who do you even think is the scum that was commandeering that wagon?

Well it looks like you're both in your early 20s so scratch that theory out.

Replace chronological age with mafia age. There is an unnatural amount if irration and useage of energy trying to keep up with the newer generation of mafia

Including an irritation at you for dropping amelie down to null- maybe scum

VOTE: Trendall

I prefer OWER over Trendall especially if Lunar is scum here. The fact that he doesn't mind OWER and Trendall but votes Trendalls smaller wagon over OWERS larger wagon at the time (by a vote or two) feels like he's trying to push a CW to a possible partner only to leave himself open to bus him towards the end to reduce the association between the two of them.

Grendel, how do you feel about Lunar stating he doesn't mind offing OWER and Trendall yet choosing the smaller wagon betwen the two?

You recently said you reviewed my posting and thought me town. Then soon after I moved you to my scum reads and this post followed.
Can you talk to me about how you are thinking?

That isn’t an accurate representation of the timeline
I feel like it’s hard to parse out what factors into your reads so they come across as baseless and random

Amelie is a bit disorganized but, she posts stream of thought posts in the attempt or organize and communicate her thoughts and ideas which I maintain is difficult for newer scum to do. It looks like to me that her mind is moving much faster than she is able to get down on paper and it does show that she is trying to solve a puzzle vs trying to manipulate the situation to make it look like she is solving a puzzle.

I think Momrangal is town in these posts above because of her line of questioning on Amelie, breaking up the TvT, and what appear to be genuine solving attempts.

I think there are more reasons to believe Momrangal is town but this is enough for me at the moment. If she is scum then she is playing for VERY deep scum in my opinion because the quotes above are really furthering a town agenda.

[Trendall]

Lunar's surprising and compelling case on Trendall

Which to reiterate is 'Trendall had a townread on me and is therefore mafia'