DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

[mastina]

VOTE: Battle Mage
I'll battle today, on condition Flea is up too.

I'd prefer not since I think you're both town.

there's only 2 spaces in the fighting arena, so if oil is in, i cant be

I'd be down for Oil v superbowl, Oil v Guillotina, or superbowl v Guillotina honestly.

VOTE: Oil

I think BM v Flea is TvT, please don't fight each other. We should only be fighting those that are evil, not fighting our friends. <3

[mastina]

Its official. I hate that reads list.

Then you should be more than happy to sheep me as I am voting to eliminate both Oil and Guillotina.

For the record, I do think that this is Nero's towngame. He looks like town doing his best in spite of the posting restriction, rather than scum using the posting restriction to be lackluster.

So:

kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa)
Dunnstral
Bell
Titus
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain)

Gamma Emerald
Flea The Magician

Battle Mage
Firebringer

Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8)

Guillotina
Superbowl9

Locktown, town, town-but-with-the-caveat-that-I-can't-read-them-worth-shit, guessing-poe-scum, scumread.

[mastina]

the old folks here can't keep up with you (myself)

Meanwhile I am a youngster here, at least in this arc.

im dat obvtown?!

As a matter of fact: yes.

Its official. I hate that reads list.

Then you should be more than happy to sheep me as I am voting to eliminate both Oil and Guillotina.

For the record, I do think that this is Nero's towngame. He looks like town doing his best in spite of the posting restriction, rather than scum using the posting restriction to be lackluster.

So:

kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa)
Dunnstral
Bell
Titus
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain)

Gamma Emerald
Flea The Magician

Battle Mage
Firebringer

Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8)

Guillotina
Superbowl9

Locktown, town, town-but-with-the-caveat-that-I-can't-read-them-worth-shit, guessing-poe-scum, scumread.

Am now caught up, so I'd like to say:
This is very obviously Noraa as town--painfully obviously so.
This looks like both Dunnstral's and Bell's towngames. Dunnstral is giving off identical energy to PookyVFL, whereas Bell's doing the polar opposite of what he did in both that game and Among Us. Both of them are pretty damn solidly in their town metas.

Titus's reads here aligning with my own is an INCREDIBLY good sign. Her entrance is rather strong and, overall, seems to be precisely what she should be giving if she is town here; there's nothing that looks scum at all.

While I'm worried about Momrangal's lack of content, Nero's posting looks like his normal town self slightly nerfed by the posting mechanic, rather than scum using it as an excuse to avoid being his normal self.

Gamma is a weaker townread off of Gut.
Flea is also a townread off of gut, and me thinking that Flea v BM is townVtown, and Flea feeling different to me than fae were in Among Us.

Battle Mage and Firebringer both look town to me, but I admit that I can't read either of them worth a damn.

Oil Tycoons, I'd expect to have a townread on Nacho, but I just...don't. I can maybe maybe maybe see them as town genuinely suspicious of BM, but it doesn't feel sincere. It feels like scum making content to look town rather than content that actually comes from town.

Guillotina radiates obvscum to me but I admit a lack of familiarity.
superbowl9's pushes have been bad and sb9 normally radiates town--but that town energy is utterly absent from this game where he feels stunted, stilted, forced, and fake. It doesn't feel like even remotely the same sb9 as MBOS10.

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I think MBoS 10 was the exception for superb rather than the rule

[Guillotina]

the old folks here can't keep up with you (myself)

Meanwhile I am a youngster here, at least in this arc.

im dat obvtown?!

As a matter of fact: yes.

Its official. I hate that reads list.

Then you should be more than happy to sheep me as I am voting to eliminate both Oil and Guillotina.

For the record, I do think that this is Nero's towngame. He looks like town doing his best in spite of the posting restriction, rather than scum using the posting restriction to be lackluster.

So:

kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa)
Dunnstral
Bell
Titus
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain)

Gamma Emerald
Flea The Magician

Battle Mage
Firebringer

Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8)

Guillotina
Superbowl9

Locktown, town, town-but-with-the-caveat-that-I-can't-read-them-worth-shit, guessing-poe-scum, scumread.

Am now caught up, so I'd like to say:
This is very obviously Noraa as town--painfully obviously so.
This looks like both Dunnstral's and Bell's towngames. Dunnstral is giving off identical energy to PookyVFL, whereas Bell's doing the polar opposite of what he did in both that game and Among Us. Both of them are pretty damn solidly in their town metas.

Titus's reads here aligning with my own is an INCREDIBLY good sign. Her entrance is rather strong and, overall, seems to be precisely what she should be giving if she is town here; there's nothing that looks scum at all.

While I'm worried about Momrangal's lack of content, Nero's posting looks like his normal town self slightly nerfed by the posting mechanic, rather than scum using it as an excuse to avoid being his normal self.

Gamma is a weaker townread off of Gut.
Flea is also a townread off of gut, and me thinking that Flea v BM is townVtown, and Flea feeling different to me than fae were in Among Us.

Battle Mage and Firebringer both look town to me, but I admit that I can't read either of them worth a damn.

Oil Tycoons, I'd expect to have a townread on Nacho, but I just...don't. I can maybe maybe maybe see them as town genuinely suspicious of BM, but it doesn't feel sincere. It feels like scum making content to look town rather than content that actually comes from town.

Guillotina radiates obvscum to me but I admit a lack of familiarity.
superbowl9's pushes have been bad and sb9 normally radiates town--but that town energy is utterly absent from this game where he feels stunted, stilted, forced, and fake. It doesn't feel like even remotely the same sb9 as MBOS10.

Fuck your obvscum read, I'm town. I get mixed feelings from you here. I agree that something is off with SB but I don't like being at the bottom of the list with him, specially after you admitting not having meta of me but still scum reading me based on meta you don't have, because all your reads so far have been based off meta, so tell me why do you scum read me?

I disagree with your Bell and Gamma placements, see my read list to see why. And Nero, let's talk about Nero, granted I've only played one game with him, he has not displayed the level of scum hunting here that he showed in that game I was with him! It looks like you and I know two complete Town!Nero versions or you are bullshitting us! You don't get to use the post limiter mechanic to excuse that hydra either, I almost got modkilled trying to clear that up, none of us are anywhere near to reach super poster status, so Sugar Cain can get the hell in here and contribute!

[Guillotina]

I’m not avoiding anything
Just heckin busy

Ok. This thread is not going anywhere and I'll be here.

When you comeback, tell me what you think of Sugar Cain, Kookies and Superbowl so far please.

[Guillotina]

Oh Mastina replaced the DK videos guy!

Yah I scum read your slot and looking forward to this.

[Guillotina]

So it sounds like we have voting phase where we select the two scummiest players and then they duke it out in the arena and with the power of friendship one wins while the other loses?

Oh my god, Fire taking the spirit of Mr. Satan and running with it is just the best. FB is obv town. Even if their role pm is red. <3 <3 <3.

Okay, nevermind, Bell's town. (I suppose this is one reason to not tag me in too soon. As good as a backup to the town I can be, I can make conclusions too rapidly. But I trust I'll have the guidance of my tutors on the future pages. <3)

I've played with 6 players here before so this is gonna be a monumental game!
VOTE: Superbowl i wanted you to be scum last time but you crashed my dream. Are you scum in this one?

Fortunately, I have a substitute for Bell on the readslist since my initial guess on Guillotina was, in my current opinion, wrong.

And I already think kookiemonster is town, too.

VOTE: Guillotina
I was gonna say "I'm waiting for a votecount before casting a vote", but then I realized I was being a moron.

Why is Bell town here. Help me understand your brain.

I think kookiemonster is town but I may be biased because we finished a game very recently where she and I were town and I tunneled the hell out of Noraa.
You townread her, why?

[Titus]

I like G's response to mastina, even if I may not agree with it.

[Guillotina]

I like G's response to mastina, even if I may not agree with it.

what do you disagree on?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: mastina

Comfortable leaving this here for the night.

Now I'm gonna get me some Zzzzz, working long hours tomorrow.

[mastina]

because all your reads so far have been based off meta, so tell me why do you scum read me?

Because I use meta to augment the evidence in the thread. Meta is a tool, not the end all be all of scumhunting.

And your posts look like scum, even without meta;

superbowl's posts look like scum, especially given meta.

I disagree with your Bell and Gamma placements, see my read list to see why.

Oh I read your piece of shit readslist but I was at the time too polite to call it a piece of shit readslist, but if you insist on bringing it up...

Null

Dunnstral

: Strikes me for the kind of player that has a defined blueprint of how an alignment should act. I didn't like it that he tried to discredit me and paint me as scum for asking players why they townread me as if pocketing didn't exist.

Scum

Gamma

: Based on past games, Gamma is the kind of player that is very vocal about his thoughts and reads. In essence, Gamma is like Flea minus the satirical side when he is town. When he's randed scum he tends to shy down and avoid me as much as possible. In this game he is doing that and he also added an early game townread as a bonus.

Bell

: He seemed like he was looking for a reason to buddy up/pocket kookiemonster. When I question him about it and I asked him why he townread Noraa (which he didn't, it was a trap), he didn't deny the townread and confirmed he was townreading the hydra based on a hunch, a hunch caused by something that can be easily fabricated such as exasperation "with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here". Maybe he knows their alignment.

Superbowl

: I think I already explained it in previous posts. This SB feels like he's been trying to be appeasing to me. Maybe he learnt the lesson and he is trying a different approach but there is something that tell me he is scum.

Sugar Cain

: Nero Cain is a scum hunter by nature, I haven't seen that here. I've yet to see his scum game but I have seen his town game and so far that town!Nero is not here.

ManWithNoName slot

: He used DK videos in Xenoblade to look carefree and meme-ing. I still remember "oh hell yah, I get to use my DK vids and not get sus for using them" in our discord scum chat from that game.

While your townreads are fine and most of your null reads are okay and the superbowl scumread is fine,
1: You had three townreads. This game has ten town.
2: You have five scumreads and four null reads. This game has three scum.
3: Your read on Dunnstral being null is terrible because this is Dunnstral's towngame rather obviously.
4: I have seen Bell TWICE in TWO recent scumgames, and can tell that this isn't the Bell of either of them, and that this is the same Bell I first saw in MBOS 10.
5: Your thoughts on Gamma do not actually match his total play this game; he is overall doing exactly what you'd say he'd do if he was town, which I agree with as being town from him.
6: You were scumreading my slot when I know it to be a town one.
7: Nero Cain absolutely has been scumhunting here and I have seen it. Speaking of which...

And Nero, let's talk about Nero, granted I've only played one game with him

You're saying this to the player who has probably played more games with Nero Cain than literally any other scummer onsite. I genuinely think that I've been in ~60% of his games, and I've played with him in literally dozens of games, upwards of 30-50 games with him.

I am seeing the exact markers I look for when Nero is town, in this game.
Are they present in the amount I would like? No. But are they present and growing stronger with time? Yes.

You townread her, why?

Because I literally just saw the best scumgame Noraa's had in her career and she wasn't as town there as she is here; here she radiates townness through to the very core, whereas in that game she was struggling hard. Having seen Noraa as scum playing her best, I can tell that this is outside of her scumrange altogether.

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

because all your reads so far have been based off meta, so tell me why do you scum read me?

Because I use meta to augment the evidence in the thread.

Meta is a tool, not the end all be all of scumhunting.

And your posts look like scum

, even without meta;

superbowl's posts look like scum, especially given meta.

I disagree with your Bell and Gamma placements, see my read list to see why.

Oh I read your piece of shit readslist but I was at the time too polite to call it a piece of shit readslist, but if you insist on bringing it up...

Null

Dunnstral

: Strikes me for the kind of player that has a defined blueprint of how an alignment should act. I didn't like it that he tried to discredit me and paint me as scum for asking players why they townread me as if pocketing didn't exist.

Scum

Gamma

: Based on past games, Gamma is the kind of player that is very vocal about his thoughts and reads. In essence, Gamma is like Flea minus the satirical side when he is town. When he's randed scum he tends to shy down and avoid me as much as possible. In this game he is doing that and he also added an early game townread as a bonus.

Bell

: He seemed like he was looking for a reason to buddy up/pocket kookiemonster. When I question him about it and I asked him why he townread Noraa (which he didn't, it was a trap), he didn't deny the townread and confirmed he was townreading the hydra based on a hunch, a hunch caused by something that can be easily fabricated such as exasperation "with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here". Maybe he knows their alignment.

Superbowl

: I think I already explained it in previous posts. This SB feels like he's been trying to be appeasing to me. Maybe he learnt the lesson and he is trying a different approach but there is something that tell me he is scum.

Sugar Cain

: Nero Cain is a scum hunter by nature, I haven't seen that here. I've yet to see his scum game but I have seen his town game and so far that town!Nero is not here.

ManWithNoName slot

: He used DK videos in Xenoblade to look carefree and meme-ing. I still remember "oh hell yah, I get to use my DK vids and not get sus for using them" in our discord scum chat from that game.

While your townreads are fine and most of your null reads are okay and the superbowl scumread is fine,
1:

You had three townreads. This game has ten town.

2:

You have five scumreads and four null reads. This game has three scum.

3:

Your read on Dunnstral being null is terrible because this is Dunnstral's towngame rather obviously.

4:

I have seen Bell TWICE in TWO recent scumgames, and can tell that this isn't the Bell of either of them, and that this is the same Bell I first saw in MBOS 10.

5: Your thoughts on Gamma do not actually match his total play this game; he is overall doing exactly what you'd say he'd do if he was town, which I agree with as being town from him.
6:

You were scumreading my slot when I know it to be a town one.

7: Nero Cain absolutely has been scumhunting here and I have seen it. Speaking of which...

And Nero, let's talk about Nero, granted I've only played one game with him

You're saying this to the player who has probably played more games with Nero Cain than literally any other scummer onsite. I genuinely think that I've been in ~60% of his games, and I've played with him in literally dozens of games, upwards of 30-50 games with him.

I am seeing the exact markers I look for when Nero is town, in this game.
Are they present in the amount I would like? No. But are they present and growing stronger with time? Yes.

You townread her, why?

Because I literally just saw the best scumgame Noraa's had in her career and she wasn't as town there as she is here; here she radiates townness through to the very core, whereas in that game she was struggling hard. Having seen Noraa as scum playing her best, I can tell that this is outside of her scumrange altogether.

For the first bolded text colored in red.

What evidence?

Because I don't see any of it here.

I don't care how spiteful you wanna be about my readlists, my readlists are usually pieces of shit from a scum perspective, so thank you. Also, why were you being polite and why aren't you now?

As for your numbered pieces of evidence.

You scum read me because...

1) You expect me to figure out the entire town roster by now (by the way, how do you know there are ten town and three scum?)
2) I didn't find all scum in Day 1 and instead I posted who i found as scum suspects and a modest list of nulls that I need to sort out.
3) Dunnstral is obvious town for you, not for me, how is that alignment indicative? You make it sound like every player who don't have the exact reads that you got are scum. How arrogant can you be?!
4) I don't have meta about Bell, so I'm going based on interaction with him here, how is that evidence that I'm scum?
5) No! Gamma is not playing to his town range in this game or at least not to the town range I have of him. When he towns up he'll be promoted to my better lists if not...I'll use all the power of my vote to yeet him!
6) I still do scumread you. Just because you say so, it does not mean you are, you have to prove it to us.
7) So? If you randed scum and Nero is your scum buddy, you are gonna use all those years of knowledge to mislead us won't you? If you are town, your years of experience are gonna be valuable to us for sure but I got no reason to believe you are as of now.

Let me ask again.

How is this evidence that I'm scum?!!

Good night!

[mastina]

You scum read me because...

While all of the reasons you list contribute to the scumread, due to them all originating from the readslist that I think comes from scum, I don't recall saying any of the reasons I mentioned there were why I was scumreading you. You asked me to point out why your readslist was bad--I did so. I didn't say that the readslist was why I am scumreading you.

I've been scumreading you since 29--29 may be an rvs post, but it looked like scum-rvs rather than town-rvs.

33 felt forced.

47 felt too forced and tryhardy.

VOTE: Guillotina

Yah i can see that you are really looking to work with them. I second the hydra, how exactly you townread them this early?
VOTE: Bell

This is also doubly wrong because both Bell and Noraa were both at that point already transparently town. Bell less so, sure, but on his way up. It's forced and a read that is the polar opposite of what should've been a read on those slots.

For someone allegedly specializing in earlygame interactions, you seem to have run afoul of them yourself: I am also someone who specializes in earlygame reactions and yours look like scum failing to blend into the town rather than town acting naturally.

55 gave me gut-scum vibes as well.

While asking why someone is townreading you is valid, the way it was done in 72 looks like scum faking the towntell rather than genuinely being town doing the towntell.

76/82/first half of 140 felt scum-scum.

On a side-note I agree with Titus's assessment of you being scum desperate for content, and 170 felt like a poor handling of that point, because...you...didn't handle the point, you brushed it off and pretended it wasn't there pretty much.

179 was a poor response to Titus's pressure.

213 has a mild scumtell in it, but is far more egregious from a slot that 'tries not to use meta much', apparently (per your earlier stated stance).

451 felt forced and fake. 453 as well.

That, aside from the problematic readslist which I broke down the issues I had with it.

Suffice to say: I do have fairly good reason to suspect you.
Is this reasoning actually accurate? I don't have meta on you so I don't know. But lacking meta to tell if it's just-you things or if it's genuinely suspicious, I am going to assume that what I see as suspicious is actually genuinely suspicious.

[Oil Tycoons]

So Syryana is going through some shit which means that I'm likely driving this hydra. This is slow season for me so thought I'd mostly be fine but unfortunately I have a big walk Wednesday morning/afternoon so I need to be focused on work until then and will be basically non existent here. If tomorrow goes really well I might be back tomorrow night but if it doesn't you won't.

[Oil Tycoons]

Mastina, can you give me one game Day for old times' sake?

[Sugar Cain]

Guillotina's "Nero isn't scum hunting" is chock full of shit. I'd be ok if we gladiate them. Dunno y ppl think Bell is town though.

[Flea The Magician]

Norra can u tone down the energy level.

the old folks here can't keep up with you (myself)

As an old folk, boo hiss to you! Let the kids have their fun! °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, I am a bit of a geeky nerd and am glad to be here. <3

Whoo! Was hoping to play with you more <3 When you can, give us your thoughts on whats happened so far in this saga o(^▽^)o

Tune in next week for our dramatic conclusion!

Town-but-I-admit-bias-to-loving-Flea's-personality-and-playstyle-in-saying-this-so-strongly. <3

OK wasn't expecting that so soon I'll take it!
Also I love when people say this <3 makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

*Offers Mastina a Mocha made by faer own fair hand*

because all your reads so far have been based off meta, so tell me why do you scum read me?

Because I use meta to augment the evidence in the thread. Meta is a tool, not the end all be all of scumhunting.

And your posts look like scum, even without meta;

superbowl's posts look like scum, especially given meta.

I disagree with your Bell and Gamma placements, see my read list to see why.

Oh I read your piece of shit readslist but I was at the time too polite to call it a piece of shit readslist, but if you insist on bringing it up...

*blinks, makes a caramel cortado and grabs the popcorn*

This gon' be guuuud.

I wasn't disappointed. Mastina can join me and nornor in the town picnic party. Happy giving Guillotina a conditional invitation, Oil has pinged me so amma do my thing.

[Sugar Cain]

could someone explain the oil thing to me? mom isn't here and I need a temporary hydra partner.

[Bell]

Limited Access till Thursday.

Sugar cain seems like town to me! I'm sure somebody already said that but as long as I don't read it, ignorance-technically, I was the first to notice and therefore am extremely townie for noticing their townieness.

[Bell]

Hi Mastina!

[kookiemonster]

Mastina why am I obvtown?
Ngl im always weirded out how some people can see it that fast when they dont even know me that well. Like I dunno if scum would be locktowning me here but I also dont really see how town just knows im town. Like I've played one game with you and it was a hydra game.
1) hydras change my meta up quite a bit
2) you have never seen town!me before :OOO
Ig I could see scum locktowning me maybe? This is just a plist where im literally never gonna die unless I get nk'ed(u dumb scumbags better not. this is the most fun I've ever had on site. actually tho pls no)
*confusion*
JOHNNY HELP ME SORT MASTINA

-nornorrequestsHELP

[kookiemonster]

Official warning for our resident scumbags:
KEEP UR DAMN NK MILES AWAY FROM ME OR I WILL RAGE IN POST GAME.

I finally got a game with a good plist that won't mislim me day one after like 20 games of getting the day 1 yeet and 5 games of good plist but Noraa!scum.

I will give the silent treatment to all the scumbags that agree to nk'ing me once postgame is brought upon us. I WILL RAGE SO HARD YOU BETTER FUCKING NOT.

-angryangrynornor

[kookiemonster]

Ahem ok good I think that should scare them away.

-happynornor

[kookiemonster]

VOTE: Battle Mage
I'll battle today, on condition Flea is up too.

I'd prefer not since I think you're both town.

there's only 2 spaces in the fighting arena, so if oil is in, i cant be

I'd be down for Oil v superbowl, Oil v Guillotina, or superbowl v Guillotina honestly.

VOTE: Oil

I think BM v Flea is TvT, please don't fight each other. We should only be fighting those that are evil, not fighting our friends. <3

If superb gets thrown into the first fighting arena, I will call everyone stupid postgame after he flips town.

I think getting run up day 1 is just town indicative as hell for him honestly.

-nornorbearbear