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[Hench Princesses]

and i'm p sure i'm usually p accurate on you, i think the mbos was an outlier because as best as i can remember i usually have a p firm town/scum read on you off of that metric. i dont remember exactly what the mbos fight was abt either

the fight in mbos was literally this. I said if you were townreading me you might be scum, you said you had a high read accuracy on me, I observed you had almost exclusively played with me as scum and that there was no way to separate your read accuracy from just always scumreading me. The *except* to this is actually the mini normal where you did kinda townread me and where I did kinda townread you, but that was a loss that I replaced out of anyway because nomnom pushed the AtE too far for me to have fun

but even now you tend to focus on games where you found me as scum, but my point both times was that while you've found me scum often, you tend toward scumreading me overall (as happened in mbos and as has seemed to have been happening here), but it was also a shitpost and I hadn't actually been planning for it to be a big thing

[Hench Princesses]

I wanted to share that I had read a little of the beginning game again and came to the conclusion that Spiffeh was probably scum.
I also think Skitter is scum.

And would be fine with either dying and think they're both Red.
And I wish Dunnstral would stop failing to correctly read everyone.
Knowing that he's in a PT with Dandelion helps explain why his reads suck this game though since he has constant reinforcement for his bad reads this game.

so do you think pooky is the town that got turnstiled then? how do you feel about spiffeh/a50 s/s? or do you think there's still 2 scum here?

[SirCakez]

Elimination Votecount 3.4

superbowl9 (2) - Brian Skies, Gypyx
Annie Edison (1) - superbowl9

Not voting (4) - Dunnstral, Bell, Hench Princesses, Annie Edison

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.
superbowl9 is V/LA through Sunday.
Bell is V/LA through Thursday.

Turnstile Votecount 3.4

Annie Edison (1) - Dunnstral

Not voting (6) - superbowl9, Hench Princesses, Bell, Brian Skies, Gypyx, Annie Edison

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.
superbowl9 is V/LA through Sunday.
Bell is V/LA through Thursday.

Purple Room Votecount 3.4

Gypyx (2) - Gypyx, Brian Skies
Dunnstral (1) - Dunnstral

Not voting (4) - superbowl9, Hench Princesses, Bell, Annie Edison

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.
superbowl9 is V/LA through Sunday.
Bell is V/LA through Thursday.

[Bell]

I have no idea.
I would recommend going back and see who Spiffeh interated with awkwardly because he's not great at interacting with his scum partners.

[Bell]

Hard no to Purple rooming gyphx.
Saying he'll post better ina PT instead of here is just sad.
And doesn't really seem to be the case, I know he can post all right as town.
What he's posting here isn't really that.

[Bell]

I think Spiffeh's post are just generic town and I genuinely believe that he's probably better at town play than he's played this game.
You could call it BOP but his posts always felt uninspired and I'm pretty sure that means he's scum.

[Bell]

Okay, back to my plague infested house. ttyl.
Don't listen to Dunnstral.
Don't listen to Dandelion.

kthxbai.

[Bell]

The only reason is that if they're still saying I'm scum after all this time, they're just hopeless this game.
They're not worth listening to.

[Hench Princesses]

I think Spiffeh's post are just generic town and I genuinely believe that he's probably better at town play than he's played this game.
You could call it BOP but his posts always felt uninspired and I'm pretty sure that means he's scum.

Yeah I can buy this probably

I personally think in [pooky, a50, spiffeh] we turnstiled out two scum, although personally I'd do a50>pooky>spiffeh atm personally. I agree that spiffeh's posting has felt forgettable in a way that I don't super strongly associate with his towngame but I think my issues with the other two turnstiles are more significant. Also spiffeh's most recent posting in the other thread seems at least a little townie

[Hench Princesses]

I'm still inclined to think ns's use of AtE in response to my case on him is scummy even if I have a hard time reconciling that read with the EoD1 posts irt Titus which seem pretty town

[Hench Princesses]

I think Peta just outlined why I think a50/spiffeh is plausibly s/s btw

[Hench Princesses]

I think Peta just outlined why I think a50/spiffeh is plausibly s/s btw

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12486391

so I remember why I thought this later

[Bell]

The wagon on Petapan is absolute garbage btw.

[Bell]

I strongly advise you flip Spiffeh and then start pressuring everybody voting Peta.

[Hench Princesses]

oh is that thread listening to suggestions now

I think you guys should flip a50

[Bell]

@Spiffeh, your play here is as uninspired as it was in the flavor game. With the game generic statements and questions.

Show me a good read or a good post you've made this game. That actually changed something.

[Bell]

This is also coming from the dude who literally voted me after I said the same thing when I warned you that you better not have been scum reading me.
I'm playing totally different here than I was in my other game and you still voted me for what amounted to an omgus excuse.

You have cut close to the same play and you arguing you aren't is basically a flat out lie.
It doesn't even sound like you did much in the violet room.

[Bell]

Point being is that Spiffeh should die.
Unlike me his play is generically safe, boring and free of real thought or imagination.

[Bell]

See: Entire Titus interaction.

[Bell]

If he's town this game he's not paragone of towniness.
This just wasn't his game, this game.
Which is fine, I guess.
But to argue you're townie here is laughable.
Petapan is literally the most obvious town on the other side and you're voting him.

[Bell]

I barely see a difference between this game and the other games I've played with you.
That probably means you're scum.

[Hench Princesses]

I'd actually say peta is one of the more complex reads in this gamestate but that doesn't change my thought that he's being pushed by scum regardless of whether he is himself scum or not

I think there's at least two scum on his wagon regardless of his alignment right now, and I think I'd lean town overall

why do you think peta is more obvious town than the hydras?

[Bell]

To put it simply, free flow interactions and he's pushed almost literally everybody. I don't see favoritism in his reads or his interactions.
I think he writes out reads like he believes them in his own way. He also literally did not need to start busting out a reads list at the end of the last day phase.
He seems to catch the stuff I catch. Or sees the things I do. I don't ever think is reactions to any particular topic don't make sense.
To me he's compltely believable as town, but I find it difficult to see any scum agenda whatsoever.

[Bell]

The paranoia on me pushing you as a coordinated front with Peta to egg your wagon on is not only totally ridiculous but thoughtless too.

[Bell]

You know as well as I do that it takes two scum to interact with each ther and I've interacted with Petapan more than most on that other side where as scum I would totally ignore him, maybe slap a lazy town read and call it a day.

I also had you as scum two days ago in my notes but bed bug infestation kept me away and my confidence on it only grew.