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[petapan]

Peta out here on and off voting people, not committing, just barely doing enough to be called targetting spiffeh while not interacting with him.

that's completely detached from reality

It's really fucking not. You have voted and unvoted pooky several times. You have complained about this game ending on day 4 regardless.

My assessment of how you have been playing is PERFECTLY accurate.

yes, at times today my thinking has been effectively defeatist because i think the game is in a difficult pot right now and town's chances of winning are low. i know that's unhelpful but hard to not let pessimism sink in and influence my play. but i'm still compelled to keep swinging, keep trying when i'm not in a bad mood, and that was true when i began to engage spiffeh in conversation last night

i've interacted with spiffeh extensively because i wanted to try to further a read on him because i fully acknowledge he could be town who's just having an off game as this has been a struggle for basically everyone. i try to converse to see if he can open up, he shuts me down. i go back and iso dig to try and clarify my feelings and see if i've misjudged or not, i find some things i don't like, i thoughtdump them into the thread. i'm not gonna fault him for not being able to respond because he's supposed to be V/LA but he got 3 votes on him and started doing AtE and the timing felt confusing.

but i don't know how anyone looking at this could say we're "not interacting"

[Deacon Blues]

UNVOTE: Skitter

~sync

[Firebringer]

That's your metric?

"Done more than Firebringer"?

Do you not see the flaw here?

the bar is low.

i don't see manipulations when i look at peta. I think that is a big part of it. Where i look at pooky, all i see is manipulations. I see him manipulating u, i see him trying it with me, i see it with everyone. Peta hasn't even once tried to get me to unvote u even though he knows i townread him.

I mean that kind of shit is a bad look and peta knows it?

I think that is NAI though. Town and scum peta know survivalism tactics and 101 or 102 is: don't ask to not be voted, it doesn't work and you die faster.

but it isn't even just asking me to remove the vote. he hasnt even tried subtle manipulations like leading questions or anything of which he tries to push agendas. I mean what other scum motivations is he really displaying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uhh, this might be an ideology thing, but I try very hard not to think about how bad people's reads are and a lot more about whether their reads make sense to them or not.

I don't see why you think LLD's reads make sense to her though, Titus and unwnd didn't and I'd take Titus's read of LLD over my own, and I don't even townread LLD

Oh look, another instance of passing the buck.

You have said literally nothing about why you think I'm scum.

Your points have been:

1) LLD doesn't believe herself (false, regardless of alignment. Like, provably false whether I'm scum or town, so a completely pointless post).
2) Titus believed LLD was scum (Titus has an actual 0 percent read rate against me. Like not a joke, actual. I once won a 11v1 as scum vs. titus by dragging her to endgame ot protect me, then eliminatign her in the final vote. Titus cannot read me. Titus does not know HOW.)
3) Unwnd beieved LLD was scum. (On day 1, before replacing out, with little context to my play.)

You have nothing on me and these wild assertions that there are no scum in your thread are fucking laughable at best.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer is the least weird thing happening in this thread right now.

what a tragedy

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's your metric?

"Done more than Firebringer"?

Do you not see the flaw here?

the bar is low.

i don't see manipulations when i look at peta. I think that is a big part of it. Where i look at pooky, all i see is manipulations. I see him manipulating u, i see him trying it with me, i see it with everyone. Peta hasn't even once tried to get me to unvote u even though he knows i townread him.

I mean that kind of shit is a bad look and peta knows it?

I think that is NAI though. Town and scum peta know survivalism tactics and 101 or 102 is: don't ask to not be voted, it doesn't work and you die faster.

but it isn't even just asking me to remove the vote. he hasnt even tried subtle manipulations like leading questions or anything of which he tries to push agendas. I mean what other scum motivations is he really displaying.

The demotivation IS a manipulation.

Remember when I said someone was leading scum apathy? Peta talked about it too.

It's peta.

[Firebringer]

spiffeh could be scum who can't keep up.

[petapan]

Peta hasn't even once tried to get me to unvote u even though he knows i townread him.

hasn't tried to get me to unvote him* not u.

tbh i did ask once politely, i don't remember why, but i feel basically no need to beg or panic at this point in time. i don't feel threatened despite the votes on me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Peta hasn't even once tried to get me to unvote u even though he knows i townread him.

hasn't tried to get me to unvote him* not u.

tbh i did ask once politely, i don't remember why, but i feel basically no need to beg or panic at this point in time. i don't feel threatened despite the votes on me.

!!!

Really.

So why are you making posts like "this game is gonna end on day 4" then bruv?

Who do you think is gonna flip town from the current wagons as a result to cause THAT kind of post?

Answer quickly please.

[Firebringer]

Peta hasn't even once tried to get me to unvote u even though he knows i townread him.

hasn't tried to get me to unvote him* not u.

tbh i did ask once politely, i don't remember why, but i feel basically no need to beg or panic at this point in time. i don't feel threatened despite the votes on me.

ohh i didn't remember this.

okay peta manipulating me!

i don't know wht to tell u about the demotivations LLD. I toneread that peta is actually really disappointed. I don't believe its fake bs.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE: Skitter

~sync

We're doing this one instead?

=/

I want Peta, Ffery. They are both scum but Peta is harder to nail to the fucking wall.

[Dandelion Wine]

fwiw i think being demotivated here is super reasonable
-ceph

[Dandelion Wine]

UNVOTE: Skitter

~sync

tell me more
-ceph

[skitter30]

Why are you townreading peta?

his opinions are good. he's saying the right htings at the right time. he probably is doing more scumhunting than like anybody else itt rn. there's like nothing that he's posted that i dislike (maybe disagree with, sure, but not that i think is scummy). i can track his thought processes and they make a lot of sense to me, and mirror my own

i don't understand why you're scumreading him

[skitter30]

Thank you everyone for universally deciding I should be flipped the week I am V/LA because of work

midwaybear is probably scum for hopping on so easily and Bell looks atrocious cheering this on from the other thread

and like this response to a push on you is just? not good

[petapan]

apathy as a tactic was never really my bag, i preferred to go out and push people

i did do the intentional apathy thing in my recent scumgame but it nearly killed me inside to do it because i always want to go out and post and drive the action

and my fear is always that doing nothing and allowing the town to talk will allow them to find each other and come together

and in fact in that game most of the town came close to having the correct solve if it hadn't been for gamma basically quitting on the game

i feel like it's always better as scum to be out driving the agenda if you can (which you could argue i'm doing right now by casing spiffeh, but w/e i'm town)

[skitter30]

it's premature, you're not close to getting flipped atm

[Spiffeh]

i'm not gonna fault him for not being able to respond because he's supposed to be V/LA but he got 3 votes on him and started doing AtE and the timing felt confusing.

To explain the timing, I looked at both threads and notice that I am getting hard pushed by you in here and Bell (and Hench Princesses to a lesser extent) in there

midwaybear also naked votes me at your request

So yes the timing of my sass towards everyone universally scum reading me is justified

[skitter30]

I feel like spiffeh and peta are cross bussing here FB my dude.

well that's a bizarre thought

[Spiffeh]

Ok I'm gonna go V/LA for real you have all lost the privilege of my activity for the remainder of the week

Take some time and think about what you've done and I will accept your apologies when I return

[skitter30]

Peta out here on and off voting people, not committing, just barely doing enough to be called targetting spiffeh while not interacting with him.

no offense, but i think you're tunneled. like this doesn't even accurately describe his play in this interaction, you're seeing what you want to see

[Firebringer]

Ok I'm gonna go V/LA for real you have all lost the privilege of my activity for the remainder of the week

Take some time and think about what you've done and I will accept your apologies when I return

ilu

[skitter30]

I'm like a bloodhound with a scent. Unless something huge changes, Peta is dying today. This might be egotistical, but I feel it's accurate.

i mean

[Lady Lambdadelta]

1) LLD doesn't believe herself (false, regardless of alignment. Like, provably false whether I'm scum or town, so a completely pointless post).
2) Titus believed LLD was scum (Titus has an actual 0 percent read rate against me. Like not a joke, actual. I once won a 11v1 as scum vs. titus by dragging her to endgame ot protect me, then eliminatign her in the final vote. Titus cannot read me. Titus does not know HOW.)
3) Unwnd beieved LLD was scum. (On day 1, before replacing out, with little context to my play.)

1 -- mostly I don't think I've ever looked at one of your takes and been like, "yeah I can vibe with that"
2 -- yeah but Titus wasn't in thread with you so... idk maybe her read is better when she doesn't have to engage you directly? I'm not dismissing it because you don't like her read rate on you
3 -- early game reads are often better than late game reads and I don't think unwnd having little context on your play makes his initial take of your play less compelling, and those things aren't disconnected btw, unwnd's replace out was *in part* his sense that he was being straight up ignored when trying to discuss reads in your timeline including his scumread of your slot. also calling that an early rep out seems misleading, it was pretty late into day 1 tbh

this deflection you do feels more like scumplaining than anything else, I think you're probably a top 4 or top 5 pick for a redflip in either timeline.

Who do you think is the scum that I am obviously overlooking in my own timeline? How many scum do you think are in my timeline?

1) So you were lying then, to sound more effectual. What you really meant was "I don't agree with LLD on anything" which is a completely different and less pushable statement. Got it.
2) "Titus must read you better from afar when she can't interact with you!" said the person who has no real reason to scumread me and is using her as evidence. Asked and answered, moving on.
3) "early game reads are better than late game reads" said the idiot. Asked and answered, moving on.
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"deflection" What am I deflecting? you're in another thread. By me bringing this over I'm putting spot light on it (and you) so clearly not deflection.

"scumplaining" I'm actually attacking you. In what way am I complaining and about what?

These are both buzzwords that I am sure worked for you in other games to push your reads, but you need to learn to actually apply them correctly or people like me with half a wit might put 2 and 2 together and call you out.

Oh, and finally?
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I have answered who I think is scum in your thread. I made a whole list. Top of that list is Bell. But you're not READING MY POSTS and coasting on a FABRICATED SCUMREAD OF ME because if you WERE READING ME and really ANALYZING WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH MY TAKES OR NOT you'd know I made a list of scum and that list included people in your thread.

So we have fabrication, no evidence, an admission of not actually reading me and using buzzwords to push me.

Anyone else got any other fucking questions about why this slot and their read are fucking garbage?

[skitter30]

UNVOTE: Skitter

~sync

sigh
you guys are so annoying to deal with