TENET - Game Over

[Brian Skies]

Pretty sure someone commented on how to read him in xeno somewhere day one.

No I don’t remember who.

Flavor Leaf.

But he also admitted that my play this game was different than he was used to seeing.

[Annie Edison]

Is that weak modifier or like a useless role

[Bell]

Just reading you based off your posts I genuinely think your focus is off and you're more concerned with the argument than the facts.
In general I would call this engaging in sophistry. Which I called you out on forever ago and which you replied by arguing that, using your powers of deduction or something Titus was still scum.
Now here you are saying the same things to me about being scum when I'm not.

Given what seems to be your reasoning, do you think it's my fault you're misreading me if you're town?

[Brian Skies]

Given what seems to be your reasoning, do you think it's my fault you're misreading me if you're town?

No, because I don't think you're playing bad.

Titus wasn't playing bad until she pushed me. Admittedly, I probably should've just pressed her on some things before just announcing that I'd end her, and that's probably what triggered her to get so defensive, but I still hate that she chose to push me the way she did.

[Brian Skies]

And I'm not arguing that Titus was scum. She very clearly wasn't.

I'm arguing that her push on me was scummy and that's why I ended her. And I think the way some of you are trying to push my reaction to that in a negative light without considering my perspective on it is scummy.

[Annie Edison]

... go on Cabd?

[Annie Edison]

If you’re about to do what I think you are you’re in for a world of I told you sos

[Brian Skies]

Like I don't believe you were trying to understand where I was coming from with regards to my push on Titus yesterday at all. It mostly felt like you chose to just take Titus' side and avoid the obvious blowback that would've occurred from her townflip.

[Brian Skies]

At least with HP I can kinda sorta see why they wouldn't want to be wrong on someone they really wanted to be correct in townreading.

[Bell]

Like I don't believe you were trying to understand where I was coming from with regards to my push on Titus yesterday at all. It mostly felt like you chose to just take Titus' side and avoid the obvious blowback that would've occurred from her townflip.

I find this hard to believe given my posts surrounding the Titus wagon and the unorthodox thinking I was using and hesitating with.
I'm pretty much incapable of being imaginative when I'm scum and my positioning was not "just waiting for you to get blow back on a misread"

[Bell]

At least with HP I can kinda sorta see why they wouldn't want to be wrong on someone they really wanted to be correct in townreading.

All I'm hearing is that you don't want to lose people you might need later so here's a cherry HP.

[Brian Skies]

Like I don't believe you were trying to understand where I was coming from with regards to my push on Titus yesterday at all. It mostly felt like you chose to just take Titus' side and avoid the obvious blowback that would've occurred from her townflip.

I find this hard to believe given my posts surrounding the Titus wagon and the unorthodox thinking I was using and hesitating with.
I'm pretty much incapable of being imaginative when I'm scum and my positioning was not "just waiting for you to get blow back on a misread"

Really?

i’d rather just wait for better players to sort your interactions and hopefully do a better job of sorting you than I am.

Just gunna out right say: currently, I think you dug in when Titus pushed back and lost perspective because you’re scum
This game. The perspective loss in this case hasn’t to do with your inability to register and consider new data and instead prioritizing the negation of anything that stands in the way of your elimination.

Titus, i’ve seen be This Titus as town before.

I don’t think you would be so quick to make this judgment and not care about new information. Imo, understand?

Because this in light of the obvious bullshit that she was continuing to push against me and you were there to see makes me think otherwise.

I don't think you were considering me being town there at all.

[Bell]

You said you were suspecting people of voting you for scum motivated reasons and you're already back pedaling on everyone that's not directly in your line of sight(there was only one other person).

[Brian Skies]

There's also Skitter.

[Brian Skies]

Maybe more, but I'm not that far engaged with the other thread.

[Bell]

Among us ended so I actually had a pretty similar experience with titus in that game where she totally thought I was scum but for the wrong reasons.

It involved a convoluted plan where I shaded her for not going to the room she said she was going to go and then a scum partner interuppted that room so she couldn't go there.

It was totally unintentional but she didn't know that.

But how you reacted was fairly close to how I reacted, which was hard scum reading her and trying to out argue her as her reasoning being bad and convoluted.

It was! but it didn't matter because my response was your response and this is also(well, not really I always hesitate and it's just in my nature to see somebody claim out of nowhere and ask myself if scum would really ever do that. You ignored it or side stepped it, constantly reinforcing your view without engaging in the missing puzzle pieces arguing that you didn't care about them)

[Brian Skies]

Among us ended so I actually had a pretty similar experience with titus in that game where she totally thought I was scum but for the wrong reasons.

It involved a convoluted plan where I shaded her for not going to the room she said she was going to go and then a scum partner interuppted that room so she couldn't go there.

It was totally unintentional but she didn't know that.

But how you reacted was fairly close to how I reacted, which was hard scum reading her and trying to out argue her as her reasoning being bad and convoluted.

It was! but it didn't matter because my response was your response and this is also(well, not really I always hesitate and it's just in my nature to see somebody claim out of nowhere and ask myself if scum would really ever do that. You ignored it or side stepped it, constantly reinforcing your view without engaging in the missing puzzle pieces arguing that you didn't care about them)

"Your reaction was the same as my reaction, but no, you're scum anyway because you didn't consider the one puzzle piece because you didn't care about it."

Even though there was a lot more to me scumreading her than her association with S_S, and she was literally pushing me off of confirmed bullshit.

But okay, Bell, I totally believe this is a real line of thought from you.

[Bell]

You paid lip service is the best I can say about it you unvoted but only after I called you out for not hesitating r thinking it through fully.
You focused and engaged in a battle without considering the broader outline and interactions with S_S and Titus that probably went on. Which is just plausible enough that I can't point at you and say you're obvious scum.

Even if it sucked.

[Brian Skies]

You focused and engaged in a battle without considering the broader outline and interactions with S_S and Titus that probably went on.

This is like such a small part of my push on Titus.

Why do you think this should've stopped my push on her when the scummiest part about her at that point was her push on me?

[Bell]

Okay. Brian. Look at my words for a moment.

In among us, it was also confirmed bullshit because I knew I didn't do what she said I did.
How I responded is the issue.
You're clinging not to your response but that you won the argument which I don't give 2 shits about.

[Brian Skies]

No, it's not about whether I won the argument.

Why are you focusing on whether or not I should've reconsidered my read on Titus from the Titus-S_S interaction when at that point I was more concerned with her shitty push on me?

There's a logical disconnect here.

[Bell]

It's not a small part of what went on, it was a total blind spot that had an explanation for their behavior.

S_S and Titus discussed it.
Titus decided to go after you and talked to S_S about it.
S_S didn't agree and Titus being Titus went after you for it. After thinking about it.
Titus outted their role unprompted to save a doctor from getting miseliminated.
A vote you had made earlier and half-assed walked back with the strength of a mewling elk. Neither you nor skitter get points for dividing me by basically looking awyay and pretending I didn't exist.

I had significantly more reason to side with Titus than with you.

[Bell]

All of this went on, but did you register it or gauge the plausibility of it?
You intentionally ignored factors that did not fit into your world view.

[Annie Edison]

No fire this is the hunger games

[Brian Skies]

It's not a small part of what went on, it was a total blind spot that had an explanation for their behavior.

S_S and Titus discussed it.
Titus decided to go after you and talked to S_S about it.
S_S didn't agree and Titus being Titus went after you for it. After thinking about it.
Titus outted their role unprompted to save a doctor from getting miseliminated.
A vote you had made earlier and half-assed walked back with the strength of a mewling elk. Neither you nor skitter get points for dividing me by basically looking awyay and pretending I didn't exist.

I had significantly more reason to side with Titus than with you.

No, Bell, it was an explanation for

one

of their behaviors.

And my issue with Titus at that point was that I already lost interest in your wagon and was PUSHING HER AGAIN before she came in to catch up and claim. And then she claimed she was claiming to protect you from me WHO WAS NO LONGER PUSHING YOU.