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[Deacon Blues]

About the weak thing?

I suppose curiosity and cats apply here. But I was wondering because that made me wonder why not swap a weak modifier role that could actually get stuff done than superb? Plus it’s massclaim anyways? So why does it matter I want more elaboration?

Do you understand why that query caused extreme concern?

[petapan]

but i still dont see how someone looks at the game and thinks all those people can be town and the scumteam is in that group

because you don't agree w/ them or because they don't make sense together or what

-b

i don't think the way things have been going and the kills reflect that. his scumteam guess also included every non-skitter investigative. but in general i feel as though he's been surface level with his takes, like that midwaybear driveby he just did. (midwaybear is maybe in the iffy range in that i think he could totally post like he's been doing today as scum, but on tone still town i think). i don't like the stickiness of his a50 read, i feel that's a lazy lurker elim scum would want to push, and some of his reasoning on that dishonest. i had words about it earlier.

i know you think a50 is scummy. my read there well could be a disaster. if he's not scum we're probably hosed, lol. but i think scum want to play less like a50 and more like spiffeh where they can look on a superficial level like they're doing something but aren't trying to sort just push eliminations on easy targets

[Almost50]

im not getting murdered by LLD just becuz you want to go into the purple room for some hanky panky.

FINALLY something inspiring

Spoiler:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFSx9fE1qJ8[/youtube]

[Almost50]

The last time y'all ran off on your own you wound up eliminating Flavor Leaf.

We're not doing this shit again.

Sorry mom

Better yet

Spoiler:

[petapan]

hey a50 real quick you said i was town because i'm a receiver, ppl said it doesn't make sense for you to think that given you had a role like this that was scum in overkill 2, what do you say to that?

[borkjerfkin]

i don't think the way things have been going and the kills reflect that. his scumteam guess also included every non-skitter investigative. but in general i feel as though he's been surface level with his takes, like that midwaybear driveby he just did. (midwaybear is maybe in the iffy range in that i think he could totally post like he's been doing today as scum, but on tone still town i think). i don't like the stickiness of his a50 read, i feel that's a lazy lurker elim scum would want to push, and some of his reasoning on that dishonest. i had words about it earlier.

ok. i think the point about all the investigatives being a team together being pretty obviously silly is a pretty good point.

let me mull this over a bit more but i like this take at first glance

-b

[Almost50]

Can we just like wagon spiffeh or something

Thinking about it

Spoiler:

[Spiffeh]

I thought I cleared up that those players were just at the bottom of my reads list, I did not take into consideration whether the teams made sense mechanically or by day play as I made that post

[Spiffeh]

A50 you have not earned the right to vote for me

[petapan]

like i said i should clarify that he was like "this is silly" immediately after but in general i don't feel a depth of thought there. of course this can be a town who is struggling with the game but i havent pulled things out that i liked

[Almost50]

Town: {Deacon Blues, Dandelion Wine, LLD}
Townlean: {Firebringer, skitter30}
Null: {Pooky, midwaybear}
Scumlean: {petapan}
Scum: {Almost50}

This is where I'm at off the top of my head

Might ISO Pooky and midwaybear if I get the chance this week because I haven't read many of their posts since getting here

AMA

Fuck this. You've done nothing all game but SR me. I don't believe it's genuine

UNVOTE: Spiffeh

[borkjerfkin]

aren't trying to sort just push eliminations on easy targets

the thing is, like,

nobody's

breaking through the mist here; we've got a loose status quo, we've got some lurkfucks, fluffing, and when i challenge people to find the "true legit deepwolfs" that they claim are there or whatever i don't feel like i'm getting a whole lot of stuff i can empathize with so i have to switch my own worldview to find ports in the storm i can rely on and man is that fucking hard this game

-b

[petapan]

Spoiler:

i'm isoing spiffeh and the continued insistence on wanting to come to this thread i can't help but read town. the rest is thoroughly mediocre though

even my minimalism loving self cant townread someone who halfheartedly farts out empty reads and does nothing with them

eh 1744 reads town but not impossible to fake

If I feel like efforting tomorrow I'll try to ISO my null reads and try to feel some type of way about them

this is much like something you said with your reads yesterday and i really don't love it

while i've certainly promised to do things later as town and had trouble delivering i think it's much easier to fall into the trap of promising to deliver content later as scum and then not actually following through because it's harder to get the engine running but talking about how you're going to do something makes people want to give you time and often don't follow up. i realize at the point in time this was said the game was going a mile a minute but in general i think continually making statements about how you're going to put in work and not actually doing so are scummy

thoroughly mediocre

perfect description of my town game I'm glad you've finally come around!

this is why i keep asking you stuff, trying to figure out how you think about things because i don't -really- have experience with you. so i have to consider whether this is simply a matter of playstyles clashing as the self-deprecating wounded pride stuff seems real enough to me, but every time you get pushed on things i feel you never really open up and understanding you is completely impossible for me

what i'm seeing in this iso is that you'll make some reads, give a little bit of backing to them, but you look like you've been afraid to really push on anything, you joined the push on shelly after there was momentum on her and helped bury her, opened day 2 voting almost50 but doesn't feel like a vote with conviction, it's stuff like "bad iso with words without meaning", it's how i would talk as scum if i was trying to get a lurker chopped, and to an extent it feels like you're throwing that out there without really making an effort to be persuasive, it's just a thing that you're doing. when i ripped skitter i was similarly annoyed with her throwing out votes i felt were halfhearted but it felt consistent with a townie who has little conviction in their reads and i've played with her some so it felt in character. this feels like a read you claim to have conviction in but don't really assert much and it feels incongruous

Specifically his posts after acknowledging shelly's claim feel like he's coaxing the wagon along without having to commit any feelings toward it

OK, so let me ask the more experienced mods amongst you about this:

Cop/Tracker/Follower/Watcher/Voyeur/Motion Detector

How many of those would you include in a game like this?

Like this is a completely useless thing to ask because we don't know anything about the make-up of the scum team so it's fruitless to try and outguess what info roles town would have

this, in particular, is interesting to me because knowing what we now know, it doesn't feel like at all a fair justification for a scumread - i think this is exactly how a town-aligned tracker would respond to a claim like shelly's, with a role that not only is seemingly redundant to theirs but mimics its function exactly. i think it fits in with his play so far of trying to stay low key.

but the thing about trying to ding a50 for his response to the claim is, well, look at spiffeh's trajectory there:

314 - early town read on shelly
392 - "I don't really get why shelly is being scum read" "posting was very stream-of-conscious which I think is hard for newer players to fake as scum"
464 - cites a string of posts as stream of cosnciousness
466 - wouldn't said shelly to the other thread if the plan is to turnstile scummy players
467 - attacks muffin for shading his read on shelly
473 - criticizes bell for not giving a reason why he's confident on shelly being scum
485 - "shelly could very well be scum, I just don't feel that way and apparently a lot of people disagree"
557 - asks shelly to explain her brian skies scum read
612 - says shelly is too low in unwnd's readslist
1021 - "shelly just isn't DOIN IT for me" (in the context of who he should vote)
1271 - votes shelly, "I know I said I was townreading her earlier get over it"
1479 - gives a poe of {Pooky, Almost50, pisskop, shellyc, Hench Princesses}
1894 - reads list with shelly as a scum lean, "I initially town read shellyc but p. much all my town reads are scum reading her and her naked vote on Pooky without even acknowledging her previous certainty that Bell was scum doesn't make any sense"
1980 - "I think it's possible she realized her Bell push was being met with a lot of resistance and scum reads so she's lurking it out"
2545 - "I think shelly's probably telling the truth about her role, but that doesn't really mean anything one way or the other in terms of her alignment"
2653 - "She could literally be telling the complete truth about her role and still be scum"
2725 - "The longer shelly remains absent after her claim the more I want her to die"
2764 - "I'm fine with limming any of {shellyc, Almost50, Gypyx} today, in that order with strong preference to shellyc"

This, to me, is exactly what i would describe as someone looking to "coax the wagon along without having to commit any feelings toward it". sure he names her as a scum read, but there's not really a lot of substance to it, just saying he's following his townreads, then accusing her of lurking out and casting doubt on her claim when people were considering not eliminating her. i think him trying to put blame on a50 for his approach to the wgon when he behaved this way is hugely scummy.

this is my stream of consciousness isodive i did this morning that culminated with an analysis of his trajectory on shelly

[borkjerfkin]

i gotta say just fucking ignoring forward thread has been really helpful, just to hone conversation and i think we should keep doing that for the moment at least.

-b

[Spiffeh]

I think next time I join a game I'm gonna play exactly like A50 is this game and see how far it gets me

Maybe he is just brilliant and we're dumb ones for giving a shit

[Deacon Blues]

sorry for all the hydra slips i literally didn't notice till just now

-b

[Lady Lambdadelta]

wanna do a50 anyone?

[Spiffeh]

If I do end up being the lim today my dying wish is for A50 to be instawagoned and hammered tomorrow

Idc if it's LYLO

[Deacon Blues]

7359 looks confbiasy to me at first glance peta

-b

[petapan]

then there was this sequence, i decide to ask for midwaybaer's vote because nothing is happening and i want to try to take some initiative

i was just wondering if there was anything more to it, that's fine

i'm kind of w/e on the purple room in general

could i interest you in a spiffeh (un)vote

UNVOTE: Spiffeh
Sure

Thank you everyone for universally deciding I should be flipped the week I am V/LA because of work

midwaybear is probably scum for hopping on so easily and Bell looks atrocious cheering this on from the other thread

It's almost like what I said was happening at the beginning of the Day

Is actually happening?!?!?!?!

to me, the AtE here looked insanely fucking premature. at that point in time there were 3 votes on him: me, skitter, and midwaybaer. i don't think any of us had pull and it wasn't like everyone else was going for it. at that point in time there were more votes on me. it reminded me of [redacted].

[Lady Lambdadelta]

honestly I wanna do skitter, but a50 make me rage

[Spiffeh]

To explain the timing, I looked at both threads and notice that I am getting hard pushed by you in here and Bell (and Hench Princesses to a lesser extent) in there

midwaybear also naked votes me at your request

So yes the timing of my sass towards everyone universally scum reading me is justified

[Deacon Blues]

7354 how would spiffeh have known a50 was a tracker when he made the post you quoted?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

the AtE here looked insanely fucking premature

so?

-b

[petapan]

7359 looks confbiasy to me at first glance peta

-b

is it confbiasy if i'm just literally referencing everything he said on shelly? it's fine to disagree if you like and say you don't think it's a bad trajectory but i'm just pointing things out and making a conclusion