Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I've scumread koba this entire game and was shut down many times (often by townies).

[Not_Mafia]

Radja/Gimli/clidd

Carve this in stone

[Ahsoka]

@Not Mafia - we're fading within Dkkoba, Infinity, Clidd, Gimli today, which is your #1 preference?

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Hullo! not much to catch up today so let's just get on with it.

Relax, Gimli. She said she will provide reads, so we can wait and evaluate the content, and yes, Dk playstyle is just like that.

Just so we're clear, my current scumread on horsewoman is based off my interpretation of #665 and not because I think horsewoman won't post her reads eventually. I don't like that she felt the need to promise work instead of doing it, but that's minimal in comparison with her thoughts on koba and, now that you and raya mentioned it, I also find her thoughts on raya in this and 666 to be quite troublesome. The townlean is fine of course, but the strength of it seems off somehow and in many directions.

Speaking of which, I'll post a theory I have but it's not worth to talk about it further because it's an associative read that's more likely wrong than not, but I think dkkoba and horsewoman have a decent chance of being scum together. koba's push on me for my horsewoman read might be the single most surprising behaviour they took this game, and once they decided to pivot from their tunnel koba said me and horsewoman have to have the same alignment. I thought this was very interesting given my more or less universal townread status, as it could be a play designed to help horsewoman go deep by hard associating her with me as her guarantor if you will. I've seen no actual reasoning to why I must have the same alignment as horsewoman instead of e.g. just being wrong about her being town, so I'm very suspicious about this line of reasoning.

This is relevant now. My tinfoil hat theory is unfolding as true insight into the nature of the current game.

[Infinity 324]

Except it assumes that scum!koba thinks they have a lot of influence over the gamestate, which is not true even if koba is scum.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I'm sure they disagree with this statement.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

Koba has no influence now because everyone thinks they're mafia or playing terrible, but that's not the impression I had of Koba through most of the game. They are very preachy and sure of themselves.

[Ahsoka]

Except it assumes that scum!koba thinks they have a lot of influence over the gamestate, which is not true even if koba is scum.

Ha, disagree.

They think they can 1v1 me, dude.

[Raya36]

VOTE: list
We're 1v1ing tomorrow. I'm done with this manipulation

I'm glad you hammered the list but the timing was kind of opportunistic considering you were in the middle of a 1v1 with Ahsoka.


I don't have time now to analyze the list but I'm just copying it here for quick reference in probably a few hours. At an initial glance my 3 lowest reads NM/Koba/clidd isn't fully viable anymore. It's one of Koba/clidd and probably NM and one other of Infinity/Ahsoka/Gimli/Amelie. I'll write down the potential teams with my current thoughts and look more into the possibilities later.

Infinity 324, Ahsoka, Not_Mafia, Gimli son of Glóin, and Amélie - 3 town, 2 mafia
Raya, Koba, clidd - 2 town, 1 mafia

2 of infinity/NM/Amelie
1 of Koba/clidd

Hmm what a surprise my solve is still possible now

Can we just elim clidd?

This looks like a partner helping Dkkoba's position in this game because of Dkkoba/Clidd having 1 scum in them.

Dkkoba's posting is indicative of scum who didn't want the list published, but had to anyways. There is no reason for Dkkoba who was the one pushing the list early in the day to be essentially needing to be pushed into the list publish. Every single thing Dkkoba was shading Gimli for coming out of nowhere had already been explained.

My guesses are Gimli/Clidd are the misfade plays for scum.

Dkkoba is going to try and open up me as well here, they were setting themselves up to do that before they voted to publish the list.

I think I'm agreeing with you. It makes sense with the sudden push on Gimli when they were mostly townread earlier. The Koba/clidd theory is interesting too because I could see scum!Koba being bold enough to put themself into the group of 3 with clidd as the miselim option. I'm also still thinking scum could be NM. He's in the larger group which is safer and also the limited pushing on him so far could be telling.

the mafia was afraid of the list, at least eventually.

This is exactly what I think happened. I think ScumDkkoba wanted the list initially, but the gamestate changed, which is why they were posting in a way where they said they were okay with the list, but then realized it would damn them. They couldn't change their mind on it or be outed either.

I fully agree with this. I do think we were correct in publishing the list and were right that scum didn't want it to be published. I also agree that Koba's play fits into this theory well. They definitely appeared much less enthusiastic about the list as time progressed.

[Infinity 324]

Thing is, koba is good at scum and has situational awareness. Thinking they have a lot of influence here, like their pushes on
clidd and gimli d1, shows a lack of situational of awareness which makes them town.

[Infinity 324]

It makes sense with the sudden push on Gimli when they were mostly townread earlier.

Jesus christ we were telling you that gimli was scum from the beginning, but no one fucking listened

[Ahsoka]

Thing is, koba is good at scum and has situational awareness. Thinking they have a lot of influence here, like their pushes on
clidd and gimli d1, shows a lack of situational of awareness which makes them town.

I mean I was scum with them before, and I don't think they're playing bad as scum. I don't think they do think they have a lot of influence here.

I think they did have it on Day 1. They also come from a Chat Mafia background.

[Infinity 324]

If they had influence on d1, they lost it when they pushed clidd and gimli because it made them look really bad. Like I was reading along agreeing with them and being like "wtf are you doing" at the same time.

[Gimli son of Glóin]

even if we're right on <koba, NM, infinity>, amélie needs to get this right as well for us to win the game. And I think she was TRing both koba and infinity last time she posted, so there's game to be played here.

I'm at peace with my solve, from my POV it's even easier than for ahsoka since ahsoka is too obvtown now and spewing himself not svs with the entire POE throughout the game and especially on d2. I'll be around answering questions (unless they come from koba).

[clidd]

Ok, I'm waiting for Dk to post now.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: ashoka

[DkKoba]

Im working all day dont care anymore

[Infinity 324]

Koba vote scum please

[DkKoba]

im not unvoting if im wrong just blitz it cause im not changing

[DkKoba]

Koba vote scum please

I am voting scum

[Gimli son of Glóin]

I guess it can also be <amélie, koba, infinity>. We need to kill inside koba and infinity today. If NM is town we're really doomed because we're gonna need his vote to achieve a majority with 8 players. We must get it right tomorrow as well cause it's also elim-or-lose. So we need to go koba and infinity first, then flip NM, and then finally flip amélie.

Flipping koba today will also lock clear two players, so I suggest that's what we do instead of flipping infinity.

[clidd]

Dk, can you talk with me or no?

I'll just vote you if not.

[DkKoba]

confirm urself too do it <3

[DkKoba]

give us the full solve

[DkKoba]

if anyone can reread ashokas interactions around me and not see there's an agenda there to discredit me subtly and get ppl to fos me then idk what tf yall smoking