DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

[Guillotina]

Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

then vote SB.

that false bravado is scummy as fuck.

Last time superb was run up day 1 he was town. we are not going to have a repeat of that here.

-nornorsaysNONONO

Yeah not doing another early SuperBase wagon. That's bit me twice now.

-John the proclaimer

It's just a tradition that I'm scumread every D1 until I obvtown and become consensus D2

I won't let you die day 1. Obvtown and u can be my top TR day 2 and on
Also U-U it's always fun when you solve the whole game for me.

-nornorislazybear

Nornor please don't meta read people already It aways ends badly.

worst case scenario superb is scum but so? we still have plenty of time to catch him.

-nnornornornornornrnornrroro

I don't want superb in the 1v1 today because superb will be obvious town/scum sooner or later. There is no need to put his life at risk today.

-nornorbear

Ok. Let me get this straight. The reason you are town reading superbowl is because you are afraid he might be town and be responsible for their yeet? There is no other reason other than guilt for killing hin day 1 when he was town even though he has not displayed any signs that he could be town here?

[Titus]

Through page 33,

If everyone SRs Oil and someone else, why are there only two Oil votes?

[Titus]

originally i thought the 'Sugar' in Sugar Cain was Noraa

I was expecting 50% cupcakes and rainbows and 50% trashing Mathblade

What does my brother have to do with this?

[Guillotina]

Dunnstral - Can be town
ManWithNoName - Shitty ISO, great vote to shake things up
VOTE: ManWithNoName
Battle Mage - Town
Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8) - Bad Vibes but it's RVS practically, so I want to see if it's just my breakfast leading to my gut here.
Gamma Emerald - No memory of his posts
Bell - Town
Superbowl9 - Waited with baited breath
Firebringer - Weak town, needs to scumclaim
kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa) - Need more posts to sort
Titus - Dead and Alive town
Flea The Magician - Reluctant to call a read here yet
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain) - Weak town
Guillotina - Conflicted about their Bell push. Confident town or scum desperate for content

O_O yeah Titus is scum this game isn't she?
Titus/Oil/___

Ok I've posted a shitton more posts. No excuse to not sort now.



-nornorthebigtimescumhunterbear

Why did you scum read Titus here?

[Titus]

I think the eliminations today from favorite to least for me look like this:
Oily
Guillo
BM
Firebringer
Titus
Sugar Cain
Mastina
Flea The Magician
Superbowl9

Are these people even in the game?????? - Gamma Emerald, Bell, Dunnstral

-noraabearrrrrr

I could do Oil, superbowl9 or Bell (based on recent lack of posts).

[Titus]

I think the eliminations today from favorite to least for me look like this:
Oily
Guillo
BM
Firebringer
Titus
Sugar Cain
Mastina
Flea The Magician
Superbowl9

Are these people even in the game?????? - Gamma Emerald, Bell, Dunnstral

-noraabearrrrrr

I dont like my placement in your list at all.

My list looks like this.

Superbowl
Mastina
Bell
Sugar Cain
Dunnstral
Oil
BM
Gamma
Firebringer
Flea
Kookies
Titus

How did I get townier than noraa? Or am I reading this backwards?

[kookiemonster]

Bell (based on recent lack of posts).

I'll grant this.

Also @guillo I can't speak for kookie but SuperB is getting the same shade he got in the last 2 games I saw him in. In both he was town, got killed early, then solved the game in the dead thread. I'm not doing it again. Show me an actual scumtell from him and maybe I'll consider it, but he reads EXACTLY like he did in those 2 town games for me rn

[Noraa]

NO SHEEPLES

I just got back and I need to digest 30some pages so.... I'll need a minute but no sheeples

Idk where nero dropped our vote, but I'm ending the night here

VOTE: Oil tycoons

Straight off the bat, I am extremely worried for Mom's alignment here. I'm sliding a little bit into confbiasing territory aorn but there is definitely something wrong with mom not providing a reads list after reading I would assume a good chunk.

Oh shit we actually got the mod vote... what happens?

People i would be comfortable nomming in 2 categories -

{Obv: guilo, oil

Spicy: Titus, Firebringer}

People we will not be nomming: mastina, superB

The rest are blind spots until I read more

Yeah obv scum is is {guillo, oil} (Sugar cain is gonna join them really soon if mom doesn't town up)
Spicy I also agree is {Titus, Fire}
I would consider actually adding BM or gamma into the spicy but I also realize that. I love tunneling both of them regardless of their actually alignments so ... yeah.

The mod vote basically doesn't do anything for us specifically elimination wise cuz we aren't ever getting thrown into that arena unless everyone loses all their braincells and wants to throw.

-norbearbearioooo

[kookiemonster]

NO SHEEPLES

I just got back and I need to digest 30some pages so.... I'll need a minute but no sheeples

Idk where nero dropped our vote, but I'm ending the night here

VOTE: Oil tycoons

Straight off the bat, I am extremely worried for Mom's alignment here. I'm sliding a little bit into confbiasing territory aorn but there is definitely something wrong with mom not providing a reads list after reading I would assume a good chunk.

Oh shit we actually got the mod vote... what happens?

People i would be comfortable nomming in 2 categories -

{Obv: guilo, oil

Spicy: Titus, Firebringer}

People we will not be nomming: mastina, superB

The rest are blind spots until I read more

Yeah obv scum is is {guillo, oil} (Sugar cain is gonna join them really soon if mom doesn't town up)
Spicy I also agree is {Titus, Fire}
I would consider actually adding BM or gamma into the spicy but I also realize that. I love tunneling both of them regardless of their actually alignments so ... yeah.

The mod vote basically doesn't do anything for us specifically elimination wise cuz we aren't ever getting thrown into that arena unless everyone loses all their braincells and wants to throw.

-norbearbearioooo

GODDAMN

[kookiemonster]

Bell (based on recent lack of posts).

I'll grant this.

Also @guillo I can't speak for kookie but SuperB is getting the same shade he got in the last 2 games I saw him in. In both he was town, got killed early, then solved the game in the dead thread. I'm not doing it again. Show me an actual scumtell from him and maybe I'll consider it, but he reads EXACTLY like he did in those 2 town games for me rn

I LOVE YOU JOHNNY <33333333333
This is such an amazing post <3

-norbearbearbearbearb

[kookiemonster]

Dunn which of my 4 is your favorite?

-j

Is dunn town, Johnny?

-norbearbear

[kookiemonster]

Ok. Let me get this straight. The reason you are town reading superbowl is because you are afraid he might be town and be responsible for their yeet? There is no other reason other than guilt for killing hin day 1 when he was town even though he has not displayed any signs that he could be town here?

No. Johnny worded it well. Its not out of guilt. Its that the current game state looks exactly like all of the superb!town game states and he has done nothing even remotely out of his town meta.

Dont shade me G.

-norbearbear

[kookiemonster]

I could do Oil, superbowl9 or Bell (based on recent lack of posts).

Do oil.

-norbearbear

[Guillotina]

I think the eliminations today from favorite to least for me look like this:
Oily
Guillo
BM
Firebringer
Titus
Sugar Cain
Mastina
Flea The Magician
Superbowl9

Are these people even in the game?????? - Gamma Emerald, Bell, Dunnstral

-noraabearrrrrr

I dont like my placement in your list at all.

My list looks like this.

Superbowl
Mastina
Bell
Sugar Cain
Dunnstral
Oil
BM
Gamma
Firebringer
Flea
Kookies
Titus

How did I get townier than noraa? Or am I reading this backwards?

I am having second thoughts about the hydra that put them right bellow you.

Upon looking into their ISO they have never explained their town read on SB and their scum read on you, which is weird because they have given detailed reads about other people. Also town!nora would know this is my town game but for weird reasons she scum reads me, im ok with no free town reads but when i show obvious signs that im town and she fails to notice them, but clears superbowl based on fear from past games, then i see a problem.

[kookiemonster]

I am having second thoughts about the hydra that put them right bellow you.

Upon looking into their ISO they have never explained their town read on SB and their scum read on you, which is weird because they have given detailed reads about other people. Also town!nora would know this is my town game but for weird reasons she scum reads me, im ok with no free town reads but when i show obvious signs that im town and she fails to notice them, but clears superbowl based on fear from past games, then i see a problem.

-_________________________-
I sincerely hope you flip scum cuz ur not acting like town!you at all.
Again, im going to say it one more time, its the DK tell. If they aren't been absolutely difficult and obtuse, they aren't town.
I caught DK in student council with this tell and im fairly certain I caught you here with this same tell.
In other words, you are being too nice and trying way too hard to make us like you. You are so much more toned down than town!you.
Idc that ur taking ur TR on me back cuz it always looks bad TRing someone that SRs you hard and you aren't exactly playing against ur own wincon so I have no complaints.

-tsutsu

[Guillotina]

Ok. Let me get this straight. The reason you are town reading superbowl is because you are afraid he might be town and be responsible for their yeet? There is no other reason other than guilt for killing hin day 1 when he was town even though he has not displayed any signs that he could be town here?

No. Johnny worded it well. Its not out of guilt. Its that the current game state looks exactly like all of the superb!town game states and he has done nothing even remotely out of his town meta.

Dont shade me G.

-norbearbear

You know i hate that word because i don't shade. Are you trying to provoke me?

You know what i realized?

That i'm a hypocrite. I'm having a problem with you townreading superbowl based on fear and guilt, while im doing the same thing with you. I've tunneled you so hard in past games where you have turned out to be town than im afraid of reading you wrong once again so i convinced myself that this has to be your town game.
But i'm looking at your ISO and i asked myself, “if Noraa was not town, would she be scum buddies with superbowl and Mastina?” and the answer to that question from my gut is, yes, she most likely would.

So i really need to know why you scum read titus, because you scum read ever since he voted for the Mastina slot and you never turned back and I neec to inow why you townread Superbowl other than “past game gamestate similarities” bullshit.

[Titus]

I could do Oil, superbowl9 or Bell (based on recent lack of posts).

Do oil.

-norbearbear

Been on Oil for ages. I got on just after BM voted Oil the first time.

[kookiemonster]

Spoiler:

Town: JacksonViggo, Mark

Null: Flea

Scum: Horsewoman, LlamaMama, Noraa

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

I think your read on Nora is off though

Why?

Its to my understanding that Nora is a cutesy overly excited kind of player... Like a puppy but in this game it doesn't seem over the top, and it feels like there's a level of focus and seriousness there. It's almost like she needs to actually some thinking in the game, and not make plays to redirect town votes, and plays, and cause havic.

There is something happening to cause this subtle shift in play at a subconscious level and it's that thing at that level that gives me my read on her

Meta can be faked. Noraa and I played together in a couple games recently and i've seen her how she can effortlessly change her meta to confuse players. This is why it is wiser to judge her solely on how she behaves in this game.

Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?

Can you back this up with quotes.

No, follow the conversation. The game is only 19 pages long. Or ISO me.

I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.

She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"

I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum

I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.

Yeah I just wanted you all not to call me names and stuff, I dont know anyone here is the thing.

Also sorry for not posting anything substantive in aaages, couple of bad mental health days. Sadly the streak will continue as I will be unable to post anything substantive for some hours now.

I'm gonna look like an asshole, but this sounds a lot like AtE. I hope you do get better but I still suspect this slot.

well if uk ur gonna look like an asshole, then don't say it.

Im not scared of looking like an asshole to speak my mind.

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.

When you really wanna punch someone in the face cuz their obnoxious as hell, it generally is a town tell I won't lie.
I probs should be reassessing my read on guillo cuz he's so damn annoying :/

You gonna change your read on me based on NAI shit?

Obnoxious is a personality thing, it can come from both mafia and town because such trait comes with the player, not the play! Lol.
I could be an obnoxious wolf and you are gonna town read me because im obnoxious!?

Sounds like a bs excuse to town read me and not thunderdome with me.

VOTE: Noraa

Die!

Noraa got way more agressive ever since i posted that she could be w/w with marky.

Putting this down for ISO purposes

At first I thought this was Noraa's case, so i wanted to make sure and push on Noraa to find out her thought process, instead she pulled out quotes that were not shading at all, so that process had to be fake.

King Guillo doesn't agree so its fake

I don't appreciate the condescending tone here.

Noraa got way more agressive ever since i posted that she could be w/w with marky.

Putting this down for ISO purposes

You suggested I was scum with horsewoman. Did you forget this fast or were your reads fake from the beginning?

And i changed my mind about Horsewoman but not you. Your point?

We can change our reads as many times as we want Noraa, it's part of the perks of being town.

-nornor

[Titus]

Noraa, you really need to slow down to remember things and process.

[Guillotina]

I am having second thoughts about the hydra that put them right bellow you.

Upon looking into their ISO they have never explained their town read on SB and their scum read on you, which is weird because they have given detailed reads about other people. Also town!nora would know this is my town game but for weird reasons she scum reads me, im ok with no free town reads but when i show obvious signs that im town and she fails to notice them, but clears superbowl based on fear from past games, then i see a problem.

-_________________________-
I sincerely hope you flip scum cuz ur not acting like town!you at all.
Again, im going to say it one more time, its the DK tell. If they aren't been absolutely difficult and obtuse, they aren't town.
I caught DK in student council with this tell and im fairly certain I caught you here with this same tell.
In other words, you are being too nice and trying way too hard to make us like you. You are so much more toned down than town!you.
Idc that ur taking ur TR on me back cuz it always looks bad TRing someone that SRs you hard and you aren't exactly playing against ur own wincon so I have no complaints.

-tsutsu

I change my meta in every game, ive told you in every game this. I also have reasons to be less hostile and try to make it easy to get townread as opposed to the other games where i had nothing to lose. I'm important.

[Titus]

Guilltonia is another anon alt, great.

[kookiemonster]

That i'm a hypocrite. I'm having a problem with you townreading superbowl based on fear and guilt, while im doing the same thing with you. I've tunneled you so hard in past games where you have turned out to be town than im afraid of reading you wrong once again so i convinced myself that this has to be your town game.
But i'm looking at your ISO and i asked myself, “if Noraa was not town, would she be scum buddies with superbowl and Mastina?” and the answer to that question from my gut is, yes, she most likely would.

Good place to turn my read around.
Yes genius guillo here just solved the game. Mastina/Noraa/Superb.
*APPLAUSE*
Yes yes I love straight up WKing my partner for shitty reasons cuz that's just a wonderful idea.
wtf?????

-norbearbear

[Guillotina]

That i'm a hypocrite. I'm having a problem with you townreading superbowl based on fear and guilt, while im doing the same thing with you. I've tunneled you so hard in past games where you have turned out to be town than im afraid of reading you wrong once again so i convinced myself that this has to be your town game.
But i'm looking at your ISO and i asked myself, “if Noraa was not town, would she be scum buddies with superbowl and Mastina?” and the answer to that question from my gut is, yes, she most likely would.

Good place to turn my read around.
Yes genius guillo here just solved the game. Mastina/Noraa/Superb.
*APPLAUSE*
Yes yes I love straight up WKing my partner for shitty reasons cuz that's just a wonderful idea.
wtf?????

-norbearbear

So you acknowledge that your reasons are shitty then?

[Flea The Magician]

oof. Nora taking no prisoners right there.

So, oil's going in the arena, who with?

[kookiemonster]

I also have reasons to be less hostile and try to make it easy to get townread as opposed to the other games where i had nothing to lose. I'm important.

SCUM CLAIM.

When I accused DK of this, they told me "Noraa have you ever considered character development" and I immediately replied "No"
You see if you were town, you wouldn't make up excuses and agree with my meta tell cuz you hold a green role pm and you know I am bullshitting.
But scum would be like "well the reason for that difference is _____"
Oil you are off the hook. I want to secure guillo a VIP spot in the arena.

VOTE: Guillotina

-tsutsu