Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

[Mikul]

uwnd who is safebets partner?

[Mikul]

lunar is actively and i mean actively posting in another game

[Mikul]

uwnd did you tell him not to talk lol

[Mikul]

@peta sell me on lunar

[petapan]

@peta sell me on lunar

i think beyond his terseness he there wasn't a lot of support to the reads he made, i had to basically pry it out of him. the way his read on quiet jus reversed and he pushed there without saying much i didn't like. after his claim they basically coasted on that, only making the occasional popin or laying down a convenient wagon vote. i think if you look at their other completed game, they were able to explain and justify their reads and votes a lot better: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=85174

they also posted almost as much in that game, where they were a day 1 elimination, as they have in this one.

i don't think the claim in and of itself is inherently clearing, because, as i've pointed out before, BB effectively softclaimed what his role was. it wouldn't be hard to guess. and yet lunar pushed him for the softclaim, which i don't really think makes much sense for a doctor to do.

[petapan]

oh, and the way they started today, when unwnd and i were tunneling each other, made me incredibly nervous because they seemed to pop in and try to reinforce the argument that was already going on, seemingly trying to make sure we were the 1v1. that was a big part of why i got cold feet on unwnd, because i was afraid lunar was trying to take advantage of us.

repeating that makes me think it could be safebet still, i don't know

[Lunar Martian]

lunar is actively and i mean actively posting in another game

That's not true unless someone hacked my account.

[Lunar Martian]

We now know unwnd is town and i'm town

unless he just has not read this already

Doesn't this post TMI that I'm town?

[petapan]

also, mikul, if it were me and safebet as scum, i simply would not have made this push at all, when you started the day hard reading me as town but also insisted lunar was likely to be town. for me it would be a much easier path to victory to push unwnd as scum rather than trying to convince you a lock TR because of roleclaim was scum.

[unwnd]

My vote stays here so Mikul/Lunar it's your decision where you want to go

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 3-3

Just about anything can happen in a dream, but apparently reading isn’t one of them. You may dream about books or signs but there will be no legible letters to read. Logic and intellect seem to sleep, too, when we dream.

Lunar Martian

(2): petapan, safebet222

safebet222

(1): unwnd

Not Voting

(2): Lunar Martian, Mikul

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 12, Noon US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-12 09:00:00)


Mod Notes:

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[Mikul]

yep its as i thought

i'll read over this once more tomorrow and have my vote in by mid day

[petapan]

We now know unwnd is town and i'm town

unless he just has not read this already

Doesn't this post TMI that I'm town?

lunar, mikul is confirmed town to you, because if he was mafia he would have hammered you.. why are you suspecting him, and not safebet, the person voting you?

[Lunar Martian]

We now know unwnd is town and i'm town

unless he just has not read this already

Doesn't this post TMI that I'm town?

lunar, mikul is confirmed town to you, because if he was mafia he would have hammered you.. why are you suspecting him, and not safebet, the person voting you?

I do suspect safebet. I've suspected safebet for a long time. You're right that Mikul must be Town, and actually that means safebet must be Mafia I think. Oh and unwnd is Town too. Sometimes things are simpler than they seem

VOTE: safebet

[petapan]

lunar, why did you respond to mikul and not safebet, one of the two people voting you?

[Lunar Martian]

lunar, why did you respond to mikul and not safebet, one of the two people voting you?

What do you want me to say? That no, it's not me and Mikul or whatever, but its him and you?

[petapan]

i don't know, i just think it was weird you would respond to someone claiming they're TMIing you as town but not to say something about the person voting you

[Mikul]

Was checking back in before tomorrow and the exact vote sets the dynamic for the teams I expected lol

god bless , ofc its me that makes the choice

[petapan]

the only possible teams are

petapan/safebet
unwnd/lunar
safebet/lunar

[petapan]

mikul if there's anything you want to ask me, shoot. don't have to do it right now of course but when you have the time

[Mikul]

I've decided. Will post who and why tomorrow

Would vote now but it's late and I want to walk through my logic right or wrong. I owe you guys that much.

[Mikul]

As I mentioned this is probably one of the hardest games I've played in a long time and I'm sorry if I mess this choice up. The initial idea I had of teams is safebet / peta and lunar / uwnd

The way this day phase has played out leads me thinking that is more or less the case. I keep mentioning I have to make this choice and the choice is mine with me being the last vote and no one has even entertained the idea of the teams being different

I'm largely torn and this game will be a lesson for me. I think lunar behaviorally is just so wrong. Everything about him comes off as scum to me. But it's the role that really keeps stopping me from voting him. I think uwnd and peta have played great regardless of the outcome and they are the ones that I am really having issues with in terms of what team dynamic we are in.

Reading lunars iso, I'm still incredibly bothered. Even compared to other games he's played. This one seems way less elequent or put together. What really stands out to me is the team dynamics.

Its safe / lunar
Safe / peta
Or luna / uwnd

Unless peta and uwnd just rolled us , in which case really good job. Also I can't make a case on either one of the two with this time remaining.

Odds should be with team dynamics that safe is scum. It also seems like he just gave up

VOTE: safebet

[Mikul]

If Im wrong bois I'm sorry. It was fun and I enjoyed it either way. Lessons will be learned no matter what.

[safebet222]

Mikul... I don't blame you. This was an incredible game.

So long, and thanks for all the fish...

[petapan]

it's over then?