Micro 991: Names on the List [game over!]

[Boonskiies]

Also, I'm modding a large theme game, if anyone is interested in joining. It isn't really new player friendly, unfortunately, but it's not overly complicated if you have a decent experience in theme games.

[Boonskiies]

I also specifically put you on a different list than me, Dkkoba, so you couldn't completely focus on me with certainty. Clidd-KKoba became a gamestate 1v1 that I helped set up from the beginning of the game.

There were cases out there to make, but post/shade/discrediting me was never going to get me because Clidd/Not Mafia/Gimli weren't in a position to be able to see it because you and Infinity looked like you were flailing hard together.

[Datisi]

@datisi i have an idea.

make it so the number of scum + doom counters cap at 3.

... i spent a decent amount of time thinking "how to i make the list not increase the endgaming numbers to 4 if d1 is a misyeet", and i never thought of that...

i'll think about that further.

[DkKoba]

The thing is, Dkkoba, that you failed to realize, is that I am illogical as town and logical as scum, it's one of the harder issues for me to play as scum.

Literally nobody ever sees my logic as solid when I'm town, and I specifically used your lack of knowledge of town me against you. I set you up from the beginning, and by the time you started pushing me, it was too late.

You needed to not shade/discredit so much because I had the advantage.

i understand you might have been "logical" on the surface, but I exposed your lack of logic. the average player cannot discern fake analysis and just townbin when people spew stuff like you do over and over.
its a lesson to those players who did townbin you.

when i was seeming to townread you, I was trying to see how it'd affect the way you pushed the game state.

[Flavor Leaf]

And how'd that work out for you?

[Flavor Leaf]

It wasn't a lack of logic, you just didn't like the logic. There was a logic to be seen there, and I was specifically calling you out for it. Even if I was wrong, the logic I presented made sense why I was presenting it, which will inherently come off as townie.

Your Chat Mafia style ended up hurting your chances here, which is something I was trying to expose on your end. I think you're a good player, and have great instinct, but I think some things that work in Chat Mafia but not here is something you'll need to work on, which I'm sure you'll figure out in no time. You've been here less than a year.

I do think you will incorrectly tunnel me when I am town however.

[Flavor Leaf]

You and Infinity did make a good point against me at the end of the day, at separate times.

You both pushed the "i was strong town reading them, which means they're probably scum"

That was more the lines you needed to push, but I kept you hot so you kept trying to shoot me down, which I'm always going to be able to counter. The more we fought, the stronger position I started to get in the game.

I definitely had my "too consistent, too townie" phase this game, and as scum, I like a couple people in the game to know I'm scum, and the first half of Day 2 Raya and I setup the gamestate so the List would eventually become to our benefit. It would not have been to our benefit had we done it early.

You specifically voting the list during our fight made it look like you stopped discussion. I knew that wasn't the actual case.

Your biggest issue was really it didn't matter if you scum read me, you were always going to end up my push, so I padded that from the beginning, and essentially you were caught in a box.

I baited your vote onto Lostego, then you got the heat for it.

None of those were scum indicative, but they were all things we spent time creating a Gamefic on, so the label was "Dkkoba gave momentum to Lostego", but really it was Raya and I, but we were protected from that because of the way we pushed it onto you.

It all boils down to, it didn't matter at all if you scum read me, I was waiting for you to scum read me so we could finish the game.

Infinity's post immediately at day start was incredibly unfortunate as well, because there was no way that didn't look partnery, so it allowed me to connect Infinity and you even more than the list did because Infinity, in theory, was super damned by the list.

I simultaneously had a relationship dynamic with every single player in the game, so I had an insane protective barrier this game. Raya being super townie, and town pushing me, also gave us a giant barrier that was hard for town to break through because if they pushed us, they'd come off as scummy.

You, I setup to discredit early on by choosing Gimli in the Dkkoba vs Gimli.

Clidd was my scum push that I eventually came to correct reads on.

Infinity was setup to be the most scummy on the list.

Not Mafia got tunneled onto Amelie, correctly, so I just had to not cross him to keep him there.

[DkKoba]

i think ur path to victory relied more on gimli/clidd than infinity/I

[Flavor Leaf]

None of those were scum indicative, but they were all things we spent time creating a Gamefic on, so the label was "Dkkoba gave momentum to Lostego", but really it was Raya and I, but we were protected from that because of the way we pushed it onto you.

I wanna talk about this a little more because I believe this type of thing goes underrated for scum.

I created lines of reasoning, lines to remember, so days after these situations happened, nobody remembered the cases or defenses against it, they just remembered the Gamefic Line "Dkkoba gave momentum to lostego." "Dkkoba wanted to publish the list early, but ended up being the last one to vote for it."

You also had some really weak pushes during your discredit, which let me slam through them.

Like your voting not matching up with it, when you were 1 of 2 people alive that I had voted. And this is kind of how a lot of your defenses went. You thought this and this, because I did this and that, but I'm able to prove you wrong because of this and this, which was always going to cut you down over me, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

i think ur path to victory relied more on gimli/clidd than infinity/I

I think they were all equal.

Gimli/Clidd doesnt happen without Dkkoba/Infinity.

I spent time nurturing dynamics with all 4 of you, and you 4 with the ones setup to be misfaded on Day 3.

It didn't matter which of you were misfaded.

Infinity was also the player we used to finish the game off.

[Flavor Leaf]

I work on a sociological level in mafia, where most people work on a psychological level.

In Chat Mafia, you can't rally as easily because you can't spend as much time with a player like you can here, and I knew that was going to be your weakness because I played as scum with you, and I saw how you played in my day in Betrayal.

My awareness of your meta beatout your awareness of mine because you made a lot of cases that are indicative of Town Me, which Infinity and Clidd both relatively knew. To be fair, I don't think anyone here is that familiar with my meta, if I'm being real, and that could have been something that went against my favor, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also acted like you were my main push the entire game, but I was pushing Clidd/Infinity harder than I was pushing you for most of it, which weakened your cases.

[DkKoba]

reading mod pt, most definitely did NOT fake that townslip, i regularly skim new setups and misread stuff. townslips are often genuine from me, although i can fake them more often than not its town!koba slipping lol

[Flavor Leaf]

you can't expect people to believe townslips as town, though. It lowered your standing. If anything, that's something that's going to get you scum read.

"there's a scum chat?" tell

[DkKoba]

only if you're too paranoid

[DkKoba]

the game is over u dont have to discredit me for some future game that hasn't happened yet

[Ahsoka]

it's for other people to read town slips.

[Infinity 324]

@gimli nice read

I played to the best of my ability and got hard tunneled by many townies on d2, so figuring things out was very hard fmpov. scum played well and deserved the win. no regrets here.

Yeah, I felt kind of bad, but Raya and I essentially played a situation where scum couldn't push us, they had to push you first, which is what happened. Middle of Day 2 I felt you'd end up being the game winning fade.

Looks like I fooled Not Mafia too, though.

Flavor, you probably won't be happy to know that the only time I've seen you play town was in board games. But you were really towny here, and the only reason I had to SR you boiled down to "too towny to be town".

I did specifically not mention the point about gimli "rushing" the list because I thought it would make me look bad if I tried to articulate it, fwiw.

[clidd]

Dk trying to feel better by projecting that they were right about FL is comical.

[clidd]

clidd I hope we play again

I do hope too, my friend.

[clidd]

Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period.

[Infinity 324]

Also flavor, the engagement we had at the end was a lot of fun, and I eventually had this realization that you would be doing your own re-evalution if you were town (like clidd was doing), not appealing to me to re-evaluate. I'm not really sure why you did it as scum either but I definitely enjoyed it.

[DkKoba]

Dk trying to feel better by projecting that they were right about FL is comical.

U were super pocketed lol

[clidd]

Yeah, and you were super towny to make me see scum!FL.

[Infinity 324]

Koba not many people are convinced that you'd have TRed flavor if he was town, but yes you were right.