TENET - Game Over

[skitter30]

I'm listening to lld and dandelion wine and deacon

And also, I think they look bad in the other thread

can you elaborate a bit please?

[skitter30]

you have both brian and bell as scum with the heavy shitfight they got themselves into? please enlighten me on that one

i mean not inherently scum together? i don't think i implied or indicated that i thought they were together

[skitter30]

cool, happy to hear you're willing to take a step back on bell

well yeah there's scum outside of bowl for sure, but we have bowl as scum, why give him a pass on that one because we know there's more out of him (or there might not even be)

and like idk, you're really seeing bowl's progession on annie as possibly coming from town?

gypyx can you also give me a quick tldr of your reads?

[Bell]

VOTE: Skitter30
Doot.

[Bell]

My case on Skitter is air tight. Sheep me Brian.

[Bell]

I'm fine with Skitter poking and checking the corners of their cage before the cage fight.
Don't mind me.

[skitter30]

Lol no it's not. Didnt bother picking it apart last night cuz at the time i wasnt in the thread but i will tomorrow night

[Bell]

Lol no it's not. Didnt bother picking it apart last night cuz at the time i wasnt in the thread but i will tomorrow night

It was a joke.

[skitter30]

Ah never mind then! I will probably still pick it apart tho!

[Bell]

Don't pick apart my waffle that is soft and crumbly.
It's mine. Get your own.

[superbowl9]

Oh hey skitter’s here

[Bell]

I'll give ya a summary Skitter.
I think either the scum team sent you over here because they were sick of failing to be able to yeet you and they felt like a TVT Bell/Skitter Cage match would be amazing.
We've both spent a significant portion of our time this game trying to keep our heads above water.
Part of what gives me pause is that, like me, you never really stopped trying to solve.
Though some of your positions in the other thread sucked imo. But I could say the same for almost every player in this game to one extent or another.
it would explain how fast you got thrown over here too.
I also, actually agree that from my understanding of LLD she is very much the kill scum first ask questions later type and yeeting you over is actually weird fmpov. However, I haven't read the other thread closely enough to say for certain that she hadn't spent a significant amount of time trying to kill you in that thread before giving up and hoping for better luck here.

Points against this explanation is that Gyphx hadn't taken a firm stance even the most recent post of his only implies that he thinks I'm town, if there was an indication that Dunnstrall planned to yeet you over me, I missed it. Brian's scum reading me and Sb9 is relatively on the fence. FMPOV it very much felt like they sent you over here to kill me, than the other way around and I had no idea that the cards were set up like that. I also don't know if LLD wouldn't know that, have missed it or I missed it that she hadn't or didnt recognize the game state over here being one in which I probably die here if they get yeeted.

There's the watcher/ 2 protectives/1 pseudo protective, I don't really think role blocker is pseudo protective or intended to be tbh. That does point to scum you. I also felt that it was strange that it didn't give YOU pause when I claimed doctor, but like I said maybe I missed it.

If I have to I guess I could read all your posts over there and make a better case(which in this case would merely be a more nuanced one and not necessarily more definitive).
When/where did you change your mind on my slot btw? I missed the heel turn when you changed course did you justify it better than your TR of me?

or you're just scum.

[Bell]

Huh, those last 4 words I don't recall writing. Short term memory fail or maybe sentence fragment from earlier in post construction.

Anyway, I don't think you can or could really pick apart this case. I'm more interested in you making a case on me, because I generally think you'd struggle to make a good one given that I'm town and have a bunch of posts.
Maybe that confidence is misplaced though, it did end up working out with Doc claim blowback since enough people did recognize I was telling the truth to survive that. But it's not like I CAN'T get yeeted when I'm town.
I just haven't yet since I got back.

[Bell]

I'm also fine with you taking your time and poking around. Even though you're immediately planting roots and engaging with the players you need for their votes rather than just scum hunting while taking an impersonal tone with me in comparison. This can make it harder to dislodge you whether scum or town, but it probably benefits us in the long run to let you and just put in the extra work to dislodge you after creating associations as either alignment. I doubt I live/don't get immediately killed next dp for the loss, but it might help me point the finger at a scum before the loss so I'm okay with that.

Maybe you'll have better luck rooting out the scum over here if you're town than I have. Do your best.

[Bell]

Gyphx, without breaking the rules. Do you have a notes PT this game?

pretty sure that's breaking the rules already right?

No? We have a long list of experienced mods in this game, I'm not one of them. Did anyone address this or could address whether gyphx could mention whether they have a notes PT or not (or lie about having a notes PT) without getting killed?

[Hench Princesses]

I mean it's kinda immaterial since if he's scum he could just use the scum pt and have the exact same style of notes. Reminds me of the game where scum talked about their 'evil pit' pt that was just the scum pt with one letter off and somehow weren't flipped...

[Bell]

@Bork, It's good. This game's a challenge.

Gotcha on the notes PT issue. I tended to think about it as more of a anybody can lie about having or posting in a PT and therefore it's unverifiable but usefulish information.

[Bell]

Since it can be hard to replicate.*
I did a small amount of meta digging on Gyphx to note he sometimes makes a notes pt for himself.
I thought the line of inquiry might be helpful.
But oh well.

[SirCakez]

Elimination Votecount 3.7

skitter30 (1) - Bell
superbowl9 (1) - Gypyx
Annie Edison (1) - superbowl9
Gypyx (1) - Brian Skies

Not voting (4) - Dunnstral, Annie Edison, skitter30, Hench Princesses

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
superbowl9 is V/LA through Sunday.

Turnstile Votecount 3.7

Annie Edison (2) - Annie Edison, Brian Skies

Not voting (6) - superbowl9, Hench Princesses, Bell, Gypyx, skitter30, Dunnstral

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
superbowl9 is V/LA through Sunday.

[Bell]

I think the argument that LLD is scummy for wanting to turnstile Skitter over is pretty dumb.

Could you elaborate on your thought process and what information you gathered to reach this conclusion?

[Bell]

I forgot.
Who was/were the players that thought I was, like the only person on this side that was scum?
It occurs to me that pretty much everybody that has died on this side was either neutral or town reading me.
Even shelly.

[Bell]

@Brian, if you're town do you actually plan to iso me at some point and change your mind or is this more of a "as long as people are hard disagreeing with me, I won't push it, but I'm not going to change my mind and will yeet Bell at the first opportunity" sort of thing?

[Bell]

@HP, could you direct me to all the posts you've made that tell me you aren't scum this game?

[Hench Princesses]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Done!

[Bell]

Is Hectic one of you because I want hectic to self meta.
Because he's not bad at it.