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[Bypasser Catcher]

Its D1?

[Binatog13]

Its D1?

yes

[Norfolk Boy1]

I don’t think the barrier was quite as extreme as you are making it sound. The argument I made is one that really only works on myself. If people say that this is how scum play, that they have played this way while scum, I’ll believe them. I’d still like to see an example of it, not as a barrier to a mini vote, but because I want to be able to recognize it in the future. There’s twenty people in this thread, I don’t think asking if someone could point me towards something I could use to get better (especially if it’s as wildly common as people are saying it is) is all that egregious.

Entitled, maybe, but hey I’m a lawyer now. It’s gone to my head.

Quiet, Norway and Mini were scum together in Newbie 2037. Good game, that.

[Binatog13]

I don’t think the barrier was quite as extreme as you are making it sound. The argument I made is one that really only works on myself. If people say that this is how scum play, that they have played this way while scum, I’ll believe them. I’d still like to see an example of it, not as a barrier to a mini vote, but because I want to be able to recognize it in the future. There’s twenty people in this thread, I don’t think asking if someone could point me towards something I could use to get better (especially if it’s as wildly common as people are saying it is) is all that egregious.

Entitled, maybe, but hey I’m a lawyer now. It’s gone to my head.

Quiet, Norway and Mini were scum together in Newbie 2037. Good game, that.

Can u tell me Mini scum meta?

[Norfolk Boy1]

Sorry bro, i'm firmly in the 'meta is bollocks' camp.

If you're hanging your hat on it, my experience of Mini is that she played exactly the same as scum as she did when she was a town PR.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should join the pressure vote Norfolk.
Vanity wagons are of the devil.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When you vanity wagon you are voting with HITLER!

[This slogan brought to you by the US political warfare department, 1944]

[Norfolk Boy1]

You should join the pressure vote Norfolk.
Vanity wagons are of the devil.

Allons-y!

VOTE: Cheeky

[Luca Blight]

Leaning scum on CheekyTeeky. I don’t want to co-sign Titus’s angleshoot but I’ll be keeping an eye out.

I’m not feeling the Plus wagon. I don’t know him per se but in the one game I had with him, he caved as town like corn starch caves to water. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s scum on it looking for LHF.

I don't like how every time a low-content slot is pushed recently, someone will inevitably bring out the term 'LHF'. There is absolutely nothing from Plus' ISO that suggests they are Town. These are exactly the sort of slots that need sorting D1.

[Bypasser Catcher]

there's an alternative to pushing a low content slot. You can always question them first. Unless you specifically saw soemthing scummy?
What info do you have so far Luca from your push on whatever "LHF" slot you're supposedly pushing?

[Bypasser Catcher]

Sorry bro, i'm firmly in the 'meta is bollocks' camp.

If you're hanging your hat on it, my experience of Mini is that she played exactly the same as scum as she did when she was a town PR.

i have a funny graph i wanna share re: meta. The absolute best town players i know utilize meta effectively. Its a good tool. I find those that discard it don't actually know how to use it.

What do you think of Norwegian?

[Luca Blight]

there's an alternative to pushing a low content slot. You can always question them first. Unless you specifically saw soemthing scummy?
What info do you have so far Luca from your push on whatever "LHF" slot you're supposedly pushing?

They have zero content to question.

And no info, because they haven't posted anything other than a V/LA notice since. That doesn't mean I should just stop pushing them though, but I'm still catching-up anyway.

[Luca Blight]

And I did see something I found scummy, which I talked about earlier.

[Luca Blight]

That's gotta be a first (I'm not counting fake townreading her like I did last time I rolled scum).

What wording was I supposed to use? Is there another way to say it? Also I'm French.

"Like last time I rolled scum" is the phrase in question. If I read it "Like last time I rolled scum" in a straight way, it somewhat implies you are currently scum. "like last time". If it read more "like last time, I rolled scum" then the meaning changes as the phrases are split. Im explaining this rather poorly though.

unvote

Oddly enough the more DGB posts the less I scumread them

I don't get why this would necessarily be odd? I'd have liked to have known more specifically what brought about this change in read.

[Luca Blight]

Any more reads you wanna share?

Titus, Nero Cain, Minimegabyte, NPOM, Binatog13, BBmolla, Andresvmb, Chkflip are town.

I agree with these reads for the most part, so far. Still not entirely sure what to make of Mini.

[Luca Blight]

@Nero Cain
How willing would you be to tag team a wagon on Cheeky.
I think you're wrong about Mini.

I'm actually starting to TR Norwegian, although I'm not quite sure why.

I'm open to the Cheeky elim at this point.

[Luca Blight]

Leaning Town on Gamma as well for his general approach to the game around this point.

[Luca Blight]

im not a miller but look how much fun we had

I don't know how I missed this before. Probably trying to play these games with just my phone. You fake claimed miller? Was this move just for discussion purposes? This does not feel townie at all to me. Miller can cause a lot of chaos and confusion to the town, and fake claiming it at that.

Heybbmolla

BBmolla

This is like taking a massive step backwards in terms of the game progression.

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler:

In the time I wrote that post, Mom decided they didn’t like the DGB vote anymore. Can you explain why you voted them initially? For me, it was the joke thing about the oops my PT thread (I think I just hate those jokes), and the general admission that “well I’m always scumread so I guess I’ll have to constantly push against this”. Didn’t feel productive, not a lot of substance, I was okay with the vote. Also what changed?

Then DGB posted a thing I liked. I agree, cheeky is not the biggest lurker.

My lurkery scum read is Hayker, personally.

So I’ve decided that I’m terrible at cold reads, I think I made the wrong call, and will be voting Joyad instead.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: plusJoyed

I like this post generally. Tentative TL on quiet.

[Luca Blight]

Like don’t get me wrong, I understand where Luca is coming from, but

The mafia PT theory is not convincing to me whatsoever

The idea that asking a lot of questions and not giving reads is just filler seems to come up a lot, but again I wonder if scum actually does this with any frequency. Can anyone give me an example of a game where scum produces filler content? I’d love to see some examples of what this filler looks like in practice, because if this is it, again, it calls a lot of attention to itself. Wouldn’t filler content try to be more subtle?

I don't really roll with the idea that 'scum do this' and 'town do this'. Context, play style and experience matter, and I could envisage Mini, from what I know of her play style, doing something like that as scum in the manner I described.

I realise it's not massively convincing in of itself, but it was a possibility that crossed my mind.

[Luca Blight]

though on 2nd thought Luca saying that while sitting on a vanity wagon does kinda make me worry that it's just scum trying to push 4 a mini elimination while not getting his hands dirty.

How is this:

PlusJOYED (4): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, quiet

[E-7]

DrippingGoofball (3): Momrangal, NorwegianboyEE, MiniMegabyte
CheekyTeeky (3): Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald, NoPowerOverMe
MiniMegabyte (2): Nero Cain, BBMolla
NoPowerOverMe (2): CheekyTeeky, chkflip
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
Rannygazoo (1): Norfolk Boy1
Norfolk Boy1 (1): Rannygazoo
Gamma Emerald (1): Andresvmb

Not Voting (2): Hayker, Binatog13

a vanity wagon?

And I'm still unsure about Mini. I was convinced she was scum in a previous game but she flipped town, so I'm giving her extra leeway this game.

[Momrangal]

I'm missing our resident senile senior citizen. Things are kinda lonely and quiet without them.

Speaking of Quiet, it's taking alot to not latch onto quiet. It's really disturbing how he's so focused on the fact that he's new and fresh and green player. I feel like alot of his post amounts to IIOA and doesn't really have much of a point but at the same time he's trying

really hard[/I[ to engage and interact with the people around him

I think I'm predisposed to not liking Norwee fellow and i personally don't see anything alarming about the hydrae

Which... Ironically is a point against space Hydra. I always have an impression on Gamma

[Momrangal]

I'm a little worried about Nero, I expect him to have a little more game presence

[quiet]

Is it normal to claim in this early phase of day 1?

Was also going to ask this, but frankly I don’t think “normal” rules apply to either not-Not_Mafia or BBmola here, the two claimy people, who appear to have the style of I claim what I want when I want to. I’d be curious if anyone has methods they use to sort players like that.

My understanding that negative util roles are supposed to claim ASAP; there are probably other roles that should claim ASAP, but most get more useful not claiming. Don’t know how useful rolehunting or even discussing is day1, it helps maf at least as much and often way more than town.

[Momrangal]

Omg

Gammas on his own here.

Just proves how underwhelming he is...

..... Oops