One Night Stand [Game Over]

[Ahsoka]

I'm reading and reacting to your posts as I read them.

Your role also doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Innocent Child Lover seems like more -town EV than +town ev.

If my target is scum, it's not. That's why I think it's pretty solid setup design, especially for the flavor. Ydrasse did well.

[Ahsoka]

why are you the type of player that thinks town can't have -ev? I use it all the time in my games, and majority of my games come down to final day 1 scum.

I think negative town ev is good for setup design.

[Ahsoka]

I've straight up used Loyal Vigilantes before in setups.

[Ahsoka]

I kinda feel like I'm being hyena'd by you two right now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Loyal Vigilantes are +EV, its like a Cop/LHF clearer rolled up in one.

Your role is kind of insane.

Let's take a worst case scenario.

Town mis-elims, scum shoot the lovers, you become a lover -> 9 alive 3 scum?
Town mis-elims, scum shoots you or your lover -> 6 alive 3 scum? game over?

Like I'm not sure how that makes sense as a setup where the town only has 2 mis-elims.

Unless there's like only 2 scum, the scum don't have a nightkill, or like your target is scum.

1) there r only 2 scum - um I'm not sure I've seen a mini size game with only 2 scum, maybe 2 scum + a traitor? some1 else can help me if these actually happen.
2) scum don't have a nightkill - I don't think this is true.
3) your target is scum - ok but why? if your target is scum and you loverize them and become an IC, we're in a p shit spot, scum can just never shoot you and the scum you are loverized to is suddenly very bleh for us to push because it's got an IC loverized to it.

Someone tell me if Ahsoka's role makes any sense. I kinda feel like it doesn't but I'm happy to be shown I'm wrong.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I kinda feel like I'm being hyena'd by you two right now.

I'm a bear dude.

[Ahsoka]

I have to target the player first.

I could not target. If there's a tracker or something, we can set this up. If scum don't have a nightkill, this is how they can deal with me if I get to reveal.

I don't think my role is that crazy, that might just be some old timey mafia speaking there

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but what's the point of your role if the optimal play for you is to not target?

in fact I don't even see why you would ever target in the first place. it's not like you linking with someone makes that person town.. and it's only bad if you link with a town or a mafia because um you die!?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why did you even target uncrowned in the first place?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

walk me through your thought process there.

[Ahsoka]

why did you even target uncrowned in the first place?

I thought they might be aware of me, and was possibly signaling me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

which post indicated signalling to you?

[Ahsoka]

which post indicated signalling to you?

they've had me at lock town all game. I felt like maybe they were informed that I was town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you think they are an informed townie that knows you are town?

[Ahsoka]

sorry was too busy crossing up some 3 year olds during a pickup game

so am i conf town yet

oh shit it's FL what up my g

nice to see you rolled town

kinda

ahsoka Town
alisae... prob town

you/hop pretty neutral atm

I forget if anyone else has posted

[Ahsoka]

so you think they are an informed townie that knows you are town?

No, I know now they are specifically not.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm sorry I didn't state the tense correctly in that question:

You believe on Day 1 that Uncrowned was an informed townie that was informed you were town and hence he was your lover-target that could make you an IC?

[Ahsoka]

They literally said nice to see you rolled town, and I'm a roll that's searching for someone to target to be able to confirm myself as town.

Do you think I had done anything by that point that would evoke that strong a town read that never wavered?

[Ahsoka]

role

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't particularly care what Uncrowned thinks.

I'm interested in what you thought because you are here to answer.

Your statement right now is :

"I targeted Uncrowned with my Loverizer IC ability because I thought he was an informed townie who knew that I was town."

Is this accurate?

[Ahsoka]

i thought there was a possibility, yes. I wasn't necessarily surprised that he wasn't, but I wouldn't have been surprised if he was. I didn't really know who else to target besides Alisae or Hopkirk.

You can see that I pushed Uncrowned earlier today too.

[Ahsoka]

I didn't think about it as much as you clearly wanted me to have.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok.

now I'm pretty sure you are like a good mechanical player.

Why does it make any sense to target a informed townie who knows of your innocence with a loverizer ability? If he's town, you are just decreasing town EV and giving the scum an extra cycle since we went into night on evens.

If he's actually informed of your innocence - then it makes no sense to target him since the benefit of a successful link (you becoming IC) is um, kind of pointless? He's already informed of your innocence, wouldn't it be easier to just ask him to claim ?

[Ahsoka]

I don't even know if who I'm searching for is town or scum, but I was going to target. Not targeting is just kind of lame, and in theory, Ydrasse should have made it compulsive.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like you understand I have a lot of respect for you as a player right? You are mechanically very strong and I think you understand how to think through each role.

The reason I am really doubting you here is because I think you made this up and didn't think it through. If this is your actual role I expect you to be weighing the benefits of actually linking and deciding mechanically it would be quite stupid to actually link because like there is almost nothing to gain and a lot of downside.