Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

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Day 4 Begins!

A lucid dream is a dream during which the dreamer is aware that they are dreaming. With some lucid dreams, the dreamer is not only aware but has some degree of control over the dream's narrative, characters and setting. And in others, though fully aware they are dreaming, the dreamer has no apparent control on how the dream unfolds.

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(4): unwnd,Lunar Martian, Mikul, petapan

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 18, Noon US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-18 09:00:00)


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[Mikul]

@uwnd thoughts

[petapan]

i'm actively shocked there was a no-kill. i don't think i'd do that here ever.

VOTE: Lunar Martian


let's talk.

the game would be tragic if the story of it came down to unwnd and i each identifying a mafia but being unable to find each other as town and finally piece it together

certainly me hesitating on safebet was a pretty big error on my part, i was starting to consider the possibility it was s/s yesterday but hadn't gained full confidence, i think knowing i was on lunar scum played a part. maybe i could have worked up the courage to hammer safebet if i'd had a little more time

at any rate i'll go back and pull quotes

[Mikul]

I think I'm pretty decided. Just want your take

[Mikul]

@peta before anyone talks

Why is there not a nk in your mind ?

Want you to answer this first

[Mikul]

I actually see the opposite. I don't see a world where lunar does this. I see quite a few reasons you do

[Mikul]

Uwnd and I are town confirmed unless he did some next level bm

Safe was scum

If me and safe - lunar is town and we hammer
If uwnd and safe - lunar is town and they hammer.

There is no reason to take it to the next day for some elaborate ploy when either one of those would have ended the game last day phase.

So it's either peta or lunar.

Why does lunar waive. A rb can carry out a rb and still nk. Lunar waiving to make it seem like he protected someone makes no sense because that would not happen if he's doctor. He would have been roleblocked.

I think this is peta waiving for 2 reasons

1) I'm town confirmed. So it leaves uwnd and lunar and gives him to people to try and force a lynch on depending on how much people were paying attention. Maybe he thinks he can get something on uwnd. He also knows I had lunar town locked and him scum read so he may be trying to appeal to uwnd.

The waive does nothing. Because it's still mylo. So waiving has no adverse affects other than to try and cause confusion

2) to frame lunar. To make it seem like he got a protect off

Tbh I just think peta knew he was dying and just tried to throw a wrench in the dp to make it last as long as possible

[Mikul]

My votes on peta in spirit. Just want to talk to uwnd before I place it

[petapan]

as scum i kill you here literally every single time because you are clearly confirmation biased against me and have shown an inability to re-evaluate, no offense, but very clearly when you get your mind fixated on thinking a certain way you are unable to snap out of it.

whereas there is some possibility i would be able to sway unwnd

of course i'd never be in this situation to begin with as scum but let's not get into that

[Mikul]

No. I intentionally said I wanted to lim lunar last phase and almost hammered him like 6 times. I did my absolute best to lie to make it seem like I was willing to consider liming lunar so I'd be left alive. Was hoping you would go unwnd and I would auto vote you

Leaving us alive allows you to have an extra target to try and focus on. Because there is literally no reason not to.

4 alive or 3 alive has the same outcome.

[Mikul]

I even intentionally talked that way in twilight to try and bait myself into being alive.

[Mikul]

@peta.


Why would lunar waive.

[petapan]

@peta.


Why would lunar waive.

i legit don't know. i wasn't expecting it at all

[Mikul]

There is not a world where he waives. If lunar was isolated as scum and just a total noob. Maybe he waives thinking it makes him look good because there was no nk and he is Doctor


Safebet is not that new. And has shown a in depth of understanding of the game. So there is no world where safe and him waive. Because safe would know that a rb can rb and nk.

Lunar gains nothing by waiving here. Even if you are right and I'm universally bias against you. Which makes no sense. I had you town confirmed in my head forever and the switched it last dayphase. Lunar as scum kills unwnd and leaves me alive to hammer you

[petapan]

the doctor thing is the only explanation i can think of but i reiterate that leaving you alive here is literally worse for me in every single way

[petapan]

i just ask that you let me

try

to make a point here with regard to the way sasfebet approached lunar

[Mikul]

Yeah while waiving is also the worst thing for him. If it wasn't him or safe. Maybe in some world they are that new.

I just don't see him not killing uwnd. Leaving uwnd when you and him were discussing stuff adds 1 extra person to vote you if he's scum. When he just kills unwnd and assumes I go for you.

The only sense to make of this nk is that hopefully I played the part well enough in twilight to make you think I would consider lunar. And that happened just causes confusion

Again there is no reason for mafia not to waive. It's the same thing regardless other than needing one vote.

[Mikul]

@peta I'm not going to hammer either way. Want to hear from uwnd. I'm actually quite willing to change my mind regardless of if you think I'm confirmation biased. I had you as town most of the game and changed it

I just don't see a world where lunar waives this

[petapan]

you very obviously wouldn't have reconsidered, maybe they were afraid unwnd dying when you were calling lunar lock town would have made you second guess, i don't know

again trying to read into the nokill is foolish when it's illogical from both our perspectives

but a little fact about me is that i HATE no killing in endgame and will avoid doing so if possible (i have done it when i felt it's necessary, though. this isn't a trust tell. i'm just saying it doesn't benefit me here)

[Mikul]

Quiet has gone down in my opinion... But not enough to want to push him.

I don't feel like pushing unwnd anymore. It just doesn't feel right anymore.

I don't understand why illwei is not getting questioned for his low activity and his vote that hasn't moved once, but pushing there also feels gross.

We're always just pushing Lunar here, right?

VOTE: Lunar

That is E-1.



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This is safebet putting lunar at l-1.

After he had already pressured him prior to this

[Mikul]

He also never even considered you the entire game

[Mikul]

In addition an iso of you shows you had scum reads on him very passively or at least we're willing to type you did but never actually pressured him. Even thought you didn't like him

[Mikul]

Also you were on every opportunistic wagon in this game that either resulted in a miss kill or nearly resulted in a miss kill. The only one you weren't on was the safe bet one

[Mikul]

The only thing that bothers me about lunar. And this is enough for me to consider this is his time stamps shows him actively posting in other games as this one came up.

He's almost completely ignored it