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[ejjinami]

ngl, one of my reasons for scum-reading luca before was that he only showed “genuine” emotions when he was talking about bugg’s uncooperativeness (he seemed to show himself as a person only in posts that are both kinda useless and completely NAI)
but I kinda get that now lmao...

[ejjinami]

UNVOTE: For now. Vote is there in spirit probably, but there's something odd going on and its too early to end the day anyway.

yup
thancc!

[Frogsterking]

To be honest you guys I'm not really sure about the last one.

[Frogsterking]

Happy birthday Gamma!

[ejjinami]

To be honest you guys I'm not really sure about the last one.

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what last one? you mean my post about bugs/luca?

P.edit:
OK, it’s WAY too late.... vote me if I continue posting or sth
gn

p.p.Edit:
Happy bday!!! xD

[joqiza]

Bugspray can you explain what you mean when you say ejjinami's posts are "wack?" I understand there was some mech. confusion in the hood, does 1478 clear things up for you?

[Frogsterking]

To be honest you guys I'm not really sure about the last one.

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what last one? you mean my post about bugs/luca?

P.edit:
OK, it’s WAY too late.... vote me if I continue posting or sth
gn

p.p.Edit:
Happy bday!!! xD

I'm not sure who the third is outside of Mom/Bugs/x now that I'm fairly convinced your slot and Lunar are town.

[bugspray]

busy rn so not reading the game rn i will later but tbh i feel like trying to understand this gamestate is a waste of my rtime

[Frogsterking]

To be honest you guys I'm not really sure about the last one.

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what last one? you mean my post about bugs/luca?

P.edit:
OK, it’s WAY too late.... vote me if I continue posting or sth
gn

p.p.Edit:
Happy bday!!! xD

I'm not sure who the third is outside of Mom/Bugs/x now that I'm fairly convinced your slot and Lunar are town.

And when I say I'm not sure I mean I REALLY, am not sure. The way Bugs is playing makes me think it might not be someone with a reasonable chance to win. I mean who could be bussing Bugs right now? OutWorldER?

I feel like a player with the ability to glide along like this and drop town tell bombs when needed would not be cooperating with Bugs on this line of play. I don't see how this is furthering the win condition for the scum team. I don't understand what they're doing.

[Frogsterking]

Ejji are you actually scum? Is this some theater crap?

[ejjinami]

To be honest you guys I'm not really sure about the last one.

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what last one? you mean my post about bugs/luca?

I'm not sure who the third is outside of Mom/Bugs/x now that I'm fairly convinced your slot and Lunar are town.

And when I say I'm not sure I mean I REALLY, am not sure. The way Bugs is playing makes me think it might not be someone with a reasonable chance to win. I mean who could be bussing Bugs right now? OutWorldER?

I feel like a player with the ability to glide along like this and drop town tell bombs when needed would not be cooperating with Bugs on this line of play. I don't see how this is furthering the win condition for the scum team. I don't understand what they're doing.

that’s another reason why I woulnd’t just lock-scum him

bugs himself is either just completely frozen (which can be easily determined by an ISO search) or just behaves like that normally.
If it’s the 1st case, lol, he’ll just die.
in the 2nd, he’d be a really darn easy mis-lynch.
and he himself doesn’t seem too worried about his teammate’s well-being after he and mom get lynched in a row

welp w/e
the point is, there is time. There’s no need to be “perfect” and find scum at once
Today’s wagons being between luca and bugs are bound to get spicy interactions so regardless if we get it right or not, we’re in quite a good spot

Experienced players are easier to read via interactions as well so as long as there’s 1 scum among today’s top wagons, we’re good. I’ll try to make my read on luca as convincing as possible lmao :P

Ejji are you actually scum? Is this some theater crap?

Telling bug to bus me for literally no reason while I’m pretty much the only person who’s trying to defend him from an instant hammer would be.... either genius or really, REALLY stupid

if I were scum with bugs, I’m pretty darn sure I’d just buss him immediately. With an attitude like that, if luca is town, he’s pretty much a lost cause anyway. If not today, it’s tomorrow
but w/e
I’m perfectly fine with being suspected after a scum!flip (if there is one). That’s a part of the game as well
Let’s just see how this goes

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think it’s been made apparent why you think Luca/bugs aren’t scum together ejji?

[ejjinami]

I don’t think it’s been made apparent why you think Luca/bugs aren’t scum together ejji?

because luca death-tunneled bugs since D1. That should be pretty telling imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh that seems simplistic
Btw I just looked over a Trendall scumgame and it looks a bit like this but I feel like his ratio of long:short posts trended towards the longer side in his scumgame compared to here
I’m not sure if that means nothing, a lot, or something in between, but I think reviewing his survey answers and how he responded when I asked him about this stuff earlier might figure that out

[ejjinami]

Eh that seems simplistic

I don’t need anything else
Their interactions are clear imo

[Frogsterking]

Nice work.

So I guess your whole ‘Luca, Trendall, Momrangal’ thing was just a cover for the fact you wanted associative info from Momrangal, Grendel?

I haven’t done any analysis yet so maybe I’ve missed something, but I think Galron could still be scum?

It seems to me that Galron has gone out of his way to defend Bugs/deflect attention away from them on a few occasions.

You skipped providing any notes on both Galron and Luca.

I’ll skip my read on galron completely because I don’t think it’s necessary

and I’m still working on the rest. I have a list of notes I made during the night but they’re not anything people could read
They’re mainly made out of my brain shortcuts and 1-word/1-sentence comments

I’ll eventually post all of them but it’ll take some time

I guess Mom/Bugs/Galron is the most logical solve. There is prob a for real traitor and it's Bugs or else the game is over. Galreon is going to pop in here soon to vouch for Bug's story unless he thinks he can buss without getting into auto loss.

This solve means that Bug's plan was actually ok here, the timing just didn't work out because Bug's needed Galreon to back their side of Ejji up strong from the get go to get the wagon going without making it super obvious they were 2gether. Bugs is more willing to lie down and die here because Bugs really needed Galreon here to work some magic and Galreon didn't show up and it was a long shot anyway.

Mom jumping on the Gamma execution makes sense as that would enable them to night kill Trendall and get the hood with the traitor to themselves.

Setup seems really townsided.

I'm going to reread D1 with this in mind to see if anything stands out.

@Gamma

2 questions, Is there anything in the hood that makes it look like Galreon and Bugs are scum and communicating with each other, and is it normally the traitor that starts out in the hood or gets added to it?

@Ejji

Can you see anything in the hood that might look like Galreon and Bugs are scum and communicating with each other?

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 3.3

bugspray(3)

~ Frogsterking(28), OutWorldER(2), Luca Blight(1)

Luca Blight(1)

~ ejjinami(47)

ejjinami(1)

~ bugspray(16)


Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald(13), Galron(0), Lunar Martian(9), joqiza(11)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-22 18:03:48)

FLAVOR

frame 24 out of 19035

[Frogsterking]

I think the timing of the mod's votecount is a sign I finally posted the correct solve. I think the mod wants the game to be over.

[Frogsterking]

I think Galreon just got kind of skipped over all game because everyone assumed they were a PR.

[Grendel]

Heres my single allowed "bah" post lol.

I had fun, but i am sad i died. This was a cool roster. I hope to catch most of ya'll in future games. GLHF

[Frogsterking]

Eh that seems simplistic
Btw I just looked over a Trendall scumgame and it looks a bit like this but I feel like his ratio of long:short posts trended towards the longer side in his scumgame compared to here
I’m not sure if that means nothing, a lot, or something in between, but I think reviewing his survey answers and how he responded when I asked him about this stuff earlier might figure that out

I think it could mean something, that study from Standford I posted earlier found that scum were more likely to replace out, if I remember correctly they used second-person pronouns like "you" less, and the most interesting to me was they had a slightly lower post count but had slightly longer sentences. I think Trendall might be town here but I think the fact that you focused in on the long:short ratio is a sign there's something to that as a tell.

Those results were also just all the things averaged together. I think there can be different patterns of behavioral changes to look for. I think Luca posts slightly more as scum instead of decreasing. I suspect if he were scum he would have said more today.

[Frogsterking]

Heres my single allowed "bah" post lol.

I had fun, but i am sad i died. This was a cool roster. I hope to catch most of ya'll in future games. GLHF

Aaayyyy

[Luca Blight]

ngl, one of my reasons for scum-reading luca before was that he only showed “genuine” emotions when he was talking about bugg’s uncooperativeness (he seemed to show himself as a person only in posts that are both kinda useless and completely NAI)
but I kinda get that now lmao...

I guess you're talking about my D1 argument with Lunar, not Bugs. Otherwise, I don't really get what you're saying here.

[Luca Blight]

I'm also thinking Momrangal/Bugs/Galron is the team.

[Lunar Martian]

Galron is kind of obvTown. It's probably Gamma, but otherwise maybe Luca.