One Night Stand [Game Over]

[MURDERCAT]

I was a town seeking mason and me/kanna paired on night 1 after we crumbed to each other on page 1.

Lol this is perfect

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was kinda scared it was super obvious our crumbing but apparently not! :3

[Hopkirk]

I'm going be EVs here. Like it's balanced if nightless but scum have a kill most nights

[Alisae]

I hadn’t conceded but I guess my message to ydrasse was a second too late

Lol how do u win bro

[Hopkirk]

until i saw the masons which is... a major boost to town

oh yeah @Pooky - so your 100% read ability on Kanna isn't legit? asking for teammafia-knowing-whether-to-sheep purposes

[MURDERCAT]

I think scum realistically only gets 1/2 kills if I understand correctly, no?

[Alisae]

Uh, I get that alisae is frustrated and everything, but like

Claiming scum with someone else and conceding for them is not something you're allowed to do right?

You're allowed to replace out if you're not enjoying the setup, it would've been sus but it would've been way better than what happened here

This game was winnable for scum I think

NO IT WASNT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

until i saw the masons which is... a major boost to town

oh yeah @Pooky - so your 100% read ability on Kanna isn't legit? asking for teammafia-knowing-whether-to-sheep purposes

of course it's legit.

being masons was just a side bonus.

[Alisae]

Yeah, sure. Scum concede. Will post stuff later.

I don't like this. I didn't like it in Xenoblade and I don't like it now

I have to say I also didn't like it in Large Normal 230. I don't get why people just don't play the game out, even if it seems hopeless

I understand the reason yes that in some sense you're not delaying the inevitable but

I wanna see the game played out to it's full completion, you never know what will happen

Holy shit ur so annoying what anything could happen? Ya so another free Miselim on a very townie player will just show up for no reason over reading the game and thinking it’s me which is the next reasonable thing to do? Doubt.

If a game is lost its lost and there’s nothing you can do about it. Conceding is like folding in poker. Why would u play out an unwinnable hand?

[Menalque]

I hadn’t conceded but I guess my message to ydrasse was a second too late

Lol how do u win bro

Idk but not by conceding

I was never planning to endgame anyway, I was expecting you to, but even once you torpedoed that I still wasn’t just gonna give up

[Hopkirk]

I think scum realistically only gets 1/2 kills if I understand correctly, no?

as soon as either Menal/Alisae died the other one gets a kill every night, so either all of the mafia are alive for a while or mafia starts killing early

i'm working without the masons in mind here. assume mafia-neighbour gets voted out d1, if mafia shoots outside the lovers then that's 8-2 with me being the only meaningful town pr offsetting scum probably not having daychat at that point. 7-2 is 70% scum win and even numbers boosts that a bit. that's a good lean towards scum even if town gets one d1. it's still just 7-2 if they shoot the lovers.

the masons change things a lot though, but i feel its fairly scumsided without them. the issue only comes up if FL's scum role gets lethaled... but pretty much every setup swings towards town's favour if you vote out scum early...

[Alisae]

it was my favorite part of the setup tho :3

and also why I found Flavor Leaf's claim super unbelievable lol

I disagree it’s scumsided without their role, I think their role makes it go from slightly townsided to strongly townsided

Ya why are we townsiding setups in a meta where towns are strong btw?

[Alisae]

I hadn’t conceded but I guess my message to ydrasse was a second too late

Lol how do u win bro

Idk but not by conceding

I was never planning to endgame anyway, I was expecting you to, but even once you torpedoed that I still wasn’t just gonna give up

why did u bus again? Completely different game if u didn’t and u killed Pooky.

[Hopkirk]

I think you had at least a 25% chance of winning still Alisae. All it takes is to sway Kanna/Clidd/MT to vote one of each other while having a fair amount of time to carefully pick the lelo. Just lelo paranoia alone gives you a reasonable shot. Not discussing it with the partner feels more meh looking back now.

[Menalque]

I wasn’t bussing which is why this game went so wrong because you didn’t understand that

[Infinity 324]

so the lelo would have been a crossvote btw Alisae and MT with Kanna picking.
hey Kanna, who do you think you'd have picked?

so many things!

so the lelo would have been a crossvote btw Alisae and MT with Kanna picking.
hey Kanna, who do you think you'd have picked?

oof that would've been really tough. ali had a chance to win for sure, i had ali top town even in my super secret readlists. but morning was really town too

i'm so glad we didn't end up in that situation. alisae!!!1!

[Hopkirk]

killing pooky essentially changes nothing Alisae, what are you talking about? the only impact of killing pooky means that lelo is (you/MT/Clidd/Kanna) instead of (you/the two of those you don't choose to nightkill right before that)

[Hopkirk]

i'm not entirely sure what you mean by Menal bussing either tbh, you were the one bussing them in this thread?

[Alisae]

I actually worry what happens to the site if u don’t allow scum to concede.

Pedit: nah I had nowhere to go. I don’t think I can reasonably convince any of those players to vote MT or Clidd.

[Alisae]

I wasn’t bussing which is why this game went so wrong because you didn’t understand that

YES YOU WERE WHAT

[Alisae]

killing pooky essentially changes nothing Alisae, what are you talking about? the only impact of killing pooky means that lelo is (you/MT/Clidd/Kanna) instead of (you/the two of those you don't choose to nightkill right before that)

If pooky doesn’t die I have to miselim an extra player that I shouldn’t have to mis elim.

[unwnd]

Yeah, sure. Scum concede. Will post stuff later.

I don't like this. I didn't like it in Xenoblade and I don't like it now

I have to say I also didn't like it in Large Normal 230. I don't get why people just don't play the game out, even if it seems hopeless

I understand the reason yes that in some sense you're not delaying the inevitable but

I wanna see the game played out to it's full completion, you never know what will happen

Holy shit ur so annoying what anything could happen? Ya so another free Miselim on a very townie player will just show up for no reason over reading the game and thinking it’s me which is the next reasonable thing to do? Doubt.

If a game is lost its lost and there’s nothing you can do about it. Conceding is like folding in poker. Why would u play out an unwinnable hand?

Because a game needs to finish to completion and you're selling yourself short. Were you in a literal auto-lose? Probably not. Were you just uncertain that you could convince anyone? Uncertain of your partner? Don't take that experience away from yourself. Nobody wants a consolation prize, and I certainly want the chance to either see all the scum flipped or make a mistake. You basically decided the outcome for everyone.

[northsidegal]

given my record i am reticent to ever even speak about scum strategy but it did seem to me that even yesterday alisae your play was driven by some kind of spite

frankly i'm astounded that immediately on day three people didn't suspect you given the whole mafia pt thing (although it's possible i missed this, i didn't read the newest day very closely). i was speaking completely truthfully when i said that the amount of evidence available didn't really warrant the theory.

[Alisae]

I have nowhere to go

[unwnd]

I promise when I say what I'm saying it is not a personal matter. I just don't think 'conceding' should be an option in the first place.

When did this start becoming the norm? 10 years of this fucking game and not once did a moderator tell me 'you can just quit if you want'. Usually that meant you replace