DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

[Battle Mage]

so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

[Firebringer]

battle mage ur all over the map

[Finral]

Sorry about that. You are a good fae.

OK gloves off, persona off, lets go raw.

Provide evidence of me using AtE to guilt people off voting for me.

My account of what your case is, is exactly that. My account. You haven't provided much else that I've seen and others have also commented as such.

My own behavior is my own behavior. While people see fluff and nonsense, I post my thoughts as I go. I'm here to have fun as well as socialise.

Yes, other players do have experience with me, and they're welcome to vote me and form opinions on my play style as they like. I will prod and poke back as appropriate. As far as today is concerned, you're my elimination of choice.

This isn't scum in any sort of world.

Spoiler:

VOTE: flea

no point self-voting really, we get 2 votes

Noraa, for the record, this is why I hate being town. Because as town you can see people posting obvious postures like the above and you can jump up and down but no one listens to you.

Or worse yet people can post stuff like this and still be town??? But the condescending way that battle Mage is treating me currently is just not the approach he takes as town in any worlds at all

Because the other head comes along and decides to interact with the same post, but this one is kinda looking busy.

Bell has been in most of my games since I've been back, approximately 3. In all of those games, Bell was an easy early townread for most people. In this game, one of his first posts is him talking about how he doesn't really get town until a couple scumflips occur, which flies in the face of my experience with him.

This seems TMI-ish maybe? Why would this even be a consideration? It's creating an elimination pool and forcing a 1vs1 between two fighters.

If I create a game with a central mechanic it makes sense for me to include roles that can interact with that mechanic. Those were a couple things that I thought might be possible.

This seems off. Literally yeeting a vote at someone for the sake of yeeting a vote. RVS was undone prematurely IMO and this is terrible. There's just a vote, a null reason and nothing to follow it up?

For a hydra dated 2013 I'd expect some sort of prodding or poking more than the idle vote drop.

I vote people based off gut fairly regularly, and don't think it's an unreasonable approach on page 4. I'd rather be voting someone for thin reasons rather than no reasons at all, hence why I transitioned from RVS to firebringer.

On what exactly?

...clued me in to me being scum.
Because I like being scum but I'm not behaving as if I was scum.
Get it?

Why is that

I like bread and threatened scum.

???

This isn't how this interaction typically turns out.

Interaction is interaction though, what's bad here?

I didn't understand that Titus was crumbing something here, for one.
For two, I wasn't criticizing Titus's interaction with me, I was pointing out that

usually

scum!Nacho got away with mislynching town!Titus which ran contrary to what she pointed out here.

Surely that someone who should be capable of soulreading you isn't even to tell its you would tell you that your game is off?

If someone knows me well enough to meta read me, my expectation would be that they understand my style well enough to figure out when I'm posting - a couple mistakes here and there are understandable, but not seeing me in like 8 posts or whatever is not.

OK this was my first "Hmmmm...." moment. This reminds me of Titus in Death Curse. We've had almost no interaction and both this and the previous one look like attempts to get on the same side. We can also assume the drunk posting was starting here.

Why do you think that it's more likely that I'm scum saddling up to you as opposed to town who also found Battle Mage scummy?
What do you think my approaches to you would look like as town vs scum?

Why is you getting wagonned good for me as scum?

Especially as this seems out of place, I don't even know what this is in reply to

That was part of an ongoing conversation I was having with Titus.

Why not flea?

Not very likely I follow BM's top scumread when I had a significant scumread on him at that point.

BM being a sassyass aside, why not say this intitially?

I usually don't have to. I asked Bell what his read on you was and I expect in response that he'll probably just elaborate instead of brush me aside because he actually believes in his read and isn't pushing it for an agenda alone.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

go back and read my posts

I was hoping you could make up something better if I asked you a second time.

Your first attempt seemed like something you were reading off a teleprompter.

that sounds like some real bad faith shit

"i was hoping you could make up something"

yeah, you and Flea can contest it today.

Yes the post is tinged with a bit of liquid courage but pretty sure the point I'm making doesn't need to be spelled out.

BM: You're acting in bad faith!
OT: I'm fissed as a part!

Good answer.

I asked BM to elaborate on his read of you twice. The first time, he told me to read his posts instead of attempting to explain his read on you. The second time, he picked up on the aggressive tone of posting (which likely wouldn't have been *as* aggressive if I wasn't drinking) and dismissed it again.

But you've expressed nothing on me aside from I'm a good fae.

The "good fae" thoughts bubbled up more firmly after your #372 - Battle Mage badgering you to a bit of a breaking point seemed like a pretty genuine progression to me. I didn't expect this would be a breaking point for you if you were scum since Battle Mage's push on you wasn't really gaining a lot of traction/wasn't a post with a bit of substance. I also didn't really expect Battle Mage's first significant move as scum would be pushing his partner, especially when his push read as much like forcing a square peg into a round hole as it did.

Maybe, but it is the posting of someone prodding a potential hole or contradiction they've found.

He's prodding at potential holes and contradictions, sure. But contradictions don't make people more likely to be scum, and Battle Mage knows this.

Some of the posts between Oil/Flea. I'm essentially quoting all of them here for the first half of their ISO. That spoiler is one post.

Yeah, I could see Oil/Flea, but like I can see OilScum TownFlea here, but not the reverse.

Honestly, Oil is obvious scum, and I don't know why there isn't more pressure there.

[Finral]

Sorry about that. You are a good fae.

OK gloves off, persona off, lets go raw.

Provide evidence of me using AtE to guilt people off voting for me.

My account of what your case is, is exactly that. My account. You haven't provided much else that I've seen and others have also commented as such.

My own behavior is my own behavior. While people see fluff and nonsense, I post my thoughts as I go. I'm here to have fun as well as socialise.

Yes, other players do have experience with me, and they're welcome to vote me and form opinions on my play style as they like. I will prod and poke back as appropriate. As far as today is concerned, you're my elimination of choice.

This isn't scum in any sort of world.

Spoiler:

VOTE: flea

no point self-voting really, we get 2 votes

Noraa, for the record, this is why I hate being town. Because as town you can see people posting obvious postures like the above and you can jump up and down but no one listens to you.

Or worse yet people can post stuff like this and still be town??? But the condescending way that battle Mage is treating me currently is just not the approach he takes as town in any worlds at all

Because the other head comes along and decides to interact with the same post, but this one is kinda looking busy.

Bell has been in most of my games since I've been back, approximately 3. In all of those games, Bell was an easy early townread for most people. In this game, one of his first posts is him talking about how he doesn't really get town until a couple scumflips occur, which flies in the face of my experience with him.

This seems TMI-ish maybe? Why would this even be a consideration? It's creating an elimination pool and forcing a 1vs1 between two fighters.

If I create a game with a central mechanic it makes sense for me to include roles that can interact with that mechanic. Those were a couple things that I thought might be possible.

This seems off. Literally yeeting a vote at someone for the sake of yeeting a vote. RVS was undone prematurely IMO and this is terrible. There's just a vote, a null reason and nothing to follow it up?

For a hydra dated 2013 I'd expect some sort of prodding or poking more than the idle vote drop.

I vote people based off gut fairly regularly, and don't think it's an unreasonable approach on page 4. I'd rather be voting someone for thin reasons rather than no reasons at all, hence why I transitioned from RVS to firebringer.

On what exactly?

...clued me in to me being scum.
Because I like being scum but I'm not behaving as if I was scum.
Get it?

Why is that

I like bread and threatened scum.

???

This isn't how this interaction typically turns out.

Interaction is interaction though, what's bad here?

I didn't understand that Titus was crumbing something here, for one.
For two, I wasn't criticizing Titus's interaction with me, I was pointing out that

usually

scum!Nacho got away with mislynching town!Titus which ran contrary to what she pointed out here.

Surely that someone who should be capable of soulreading you isn't even to tell its you would tell you that your game is off?

If someone knows me well enough to meta read me, my expectation would be that they understand my style well enough to figure out when I'm posting - a couple mistakes here and there are understandable, but not seeing me in like 8 posts or whatever is not.

OK this was my first "Hmmmm...." moment. This reminds me of Titus in Death Curse. We've had almost no interaction and both this and the previous one look like attempts to get on the same side. We can also assume the drunk posting was starting here.

Why do you think that it's more likely that I'm scum saddling up to you as opposed to town who also found Battle Mage scummy?
What do you think my approaches to you would look like as town vs scum?

Why is you getting wagonned good for me as scum?

Especially as this seems out of place, I don't even know what this is in reply to

That was part of an ongoing conversation I was having with Titus.

Why not flea?

Not very likely I follow BM's top scumread when I had a significant scumread on him at that point.

BM being a sassyass aside, why not say this intitially?

I usually don't have to. I asked Bell what his read on you was and I expect in response that he'll probably just elaborate instead of brush me aside because he actually believes in his read and isn't pushing it for an agenda alone.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

go back and read my posts

I was hoping you could make up something better if I asked you a second time.

Your first attempt seemed like something you were reading off a teleprompter.

that sounds like some real bad faith shit

"i was hoping you could make up something"

yeah, you and Flea can contest it today.

Yes the post is tinged with a bit of liquid courage but pretty sure the point I'm making doesn't need to be spelled out.

BM: You're acting in bad faith!
OT: I'm fissed as a part!

Good answer.

I asked BM to elaborate on his read of you twice. The first time, he told me to read his posts instead of attempting to explain his read on you. The second time, he picked up on the aggressive tone of posting (which likely wouldn't have been *as* aggressive if I wasn't drinking) and dismissed it again.

But you've expressed nothing on me aside from I'm a good fae.

The "good fae" thoughts bubbled up more firmly after your #372 - Battle Mage badgering you to a bit of a breaking point seemed like a pretty genuine progression to me. I didn't expect this would be a breaking point for you if you were scum since Battle Mage's push on you wasn't really gaining a lot of traction/wasn't a post with a bit of substance. I also didn't really expect Battle Mage's first significant move as scum would be pushing his partner, especially when his push read as much like forcing a square peg into a round hole as it did.

Maybe, but it is the posting of someone prodding a potential hole or contradiction they've found.

He's prodding at potential holes and contradictions, sure. But contradictions don't make people more likely to be scum, and Battle Mage knows this.

Some of the posts between Oil/Flea. I'm essentially quoting all of them here for the first half of their ISO. That spoiler is one post.

Yeah, I could see Oil/Flea, but like I can see OilScum TownFlea here, but not the reverse.

Honestly, Oil is obvious scum, and I don't know why there isn't more pressure there.

[Finral]

so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

VOTE: Oil

Battle Mage, sheep me with your town ass.

[Finral]

so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

Don't make me have you help me push a mass claim.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Oil

[Battle Mage]

to give a bit more meat to the bone:

Trying too hard to look like an earnest, analytical townie.
Inconsistent reads, even this early, without good explanation for variation (which indicates opinions are feigned rather than organic). I.e. from soft-town-read on Flea to hard-town-read on Flea with nothing in the middle,
Reads which just don't ring true, like townreading an interaction where Flea didn't seem remotely bothered about the unnecessary claim.
Early claim for literally no reason.
Just bad vibes dude, but welcome to the game nonetheless!

[Battle Mage]

so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

Don't make me have you help me push a mass claim.

are you an FL alt?

[Finral]

Noraa - certainly talks a lot. Not AI for her. Seemed happy at the start of the early game, not sure if she can fake that as scum now. Didn't like the doublevoting thing. Reminds me of Death Scroll fuckery.

dude, firebringer...it's like completely Oil/Noraa here. Noraa's just literally been playing you lot here.

Maybe I'm tunneling there, and accept that I am aware I might tunnel her.

[Battle Mage]

battle mage ur all over the map

i'm swinging for the fences, whatever that means

[Battle Mage]

so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

VOTE: Oil

Battle Mage, sheep me with your town ass.

ok I'll help you bus Oil, but you're tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Oil

[Finral]

so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

VOTE: Oil

Battle Mage, sheep me with your town ass.

ok I'll help you bus Oil, but you're tomorrow.

Down, but I have a mean wolf fang fist.

[Finral]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12473247]SUPER-POSTING (SPECIAL MECHANIC)
Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again.
cial Mechanic)Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again.[/quote]

Not that I will, but I think I can make being debuffed work.

[Finral]

Inconsistent reads

inconsistent reads aren't scummy. Scum make sure to be consistent.

[Battle Mage]

Inconsistent reads

inconsistent reads aren't scummy. Scum make sure to be consistent.

It depends. i dont think your reads were markedly inconsistent to the untrained eye. I guess it's the difference between me - who is voting all over the place, and you - who appears to be trying to tell a consistent story but faltering a bit. In other words, the most likely scenario to me is that scum-Finral just slipped on their reads by accident.

[Finral]

I was just spewing, and mentioning what I saw in real time in the hopes people would interact with it.

I don't even agree I was inconsistent, to be fair, my reads just changed within the same post after reading more of the game.

[Finral]

I went back and forth with Superbowl, calling Superbowl likely scum, but then wanting to town read them.

I fencesat with Bell.

I called Firebringer town, but put them in my scum list.

I'm incredibly aware of what you think was inconsistent about it.

[Finral]

You also assumed that just because I was saying players were coming across as townie/scummy that meant that I thought they were town/scum. Most of my comments were merely observational.

[Firebringer]

yeah i thought it was pretty clear that the post finral was making was a post htye made as they were reading the game.

[Guillotina]

it is very likely that the person who nullified all actions could display a message to town and is using that to frame me. it is also likely that the person is scum given the fact it stops doc actions.

So now that we know both those things. Who would want to frame poor old innocent firebringer? Probably Flea me thinks.

It gotta be a scum role because who would roleblock the entire playerlist, including protection roles and cop checks right after Mastina was locked town clear with Titus action?

If it was a town role that player is throwing!

[Firebringer]

it is very likely that the person who nullified all actions could display a message to town and is using that to frame me. it is also likely that the person is scum given the fact it stops doc actions.

So now that we know both those things. Who would want to frame poor old innocent firebringer? Probably Flea me thinks.

It gotta be a scum role because who would roleblock the entire playerlist, including protection roles and cop checks right after Mastina was locked town clear with Titus action?

If it was a town role that player is throwing!

That is what i said.

[Sugar Cain]

Guys srsly.

Titus stopped all active night actions when she died

[Sugar Cain]

It's in her death scene