Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[Spartan117]

@safe @EZ since you guys are about what do you think of Fredrick so far?

[floo]

Just finished reading the thread up to now.

Some players have found my vote switch to flow trap suspicious because I didn't want to attract suspicion (Enchant in 150 comes to mind). If I don't want to be voted out, I don't see why I shouldn't take the effort not to seem overly scummy.

Will post other thoughts soon.

[safebet222]

@safe @EZ since you guys are about what do you think of Fredrick so far?

Other than finding his response to my vote as being genuine, he's been rather cryptic and aloof. Not sure if it AI or not.

[safebet222]

Just finished reading the thread up to now.

Some players have found my vote switch to flow trap suspicious because I didn't want to attract suspicion (Enchant in 150 comes to mind). If I don't want to be voted out, I don't see why I shouldn't take the effort not to seem overly scummy.

Will post other thoughts soon.

Oh boy, so yeah, sometimes the best you can do as town is not get in the crosshairs of the daily elimination, but not always because it's often what scum do. In my experience, inexperienced scum like to do this often. I've heard it called the sweet spot. Others have said similar things in this game I believe.

[safebet222]

I won't be around much tonight but I do think there's enough here for a reads list, which I plan to get to before anything else. Keep in mind that we have 8 days to come to a decision and we should probably make a concerted effort to consolidate on a wagon in the next 3 or 4 so there is enoigh time for claims and counter claims before deadline.

[floo]

Hello. This is my first game on this site.

How to play as Mafia Goon? What it do?

Enchant has played Newbie 2046 before according to Sal (44); it's a pure joke. But Enchant has not posted anything else that relates to this or is a pure joke. It looks unnatural/forced.

Also, you still haven't made any productive comments about your flow trap vote. What did you learn from the pressure you put on flow trap, and in retrospect was it a good idea?

[flow trap]

I've decided to go backstage for a bit

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: floo

Very scummy vote imo, has been lurking around and posting but still yet to provide any sort of detailed reads of their own as if they are unable to because they know everyone is town. Here voting off the back of other peoples reads without providing any sort of breakdown as to why they actually think they are sus or bringing anything new to the table.

What's your opinion on post 211, which comes prior to post 212?

[Spartan117]

VOTE: floo

Very scummy vote imo, has been lurking around and posting but still yet to provide any sort of detailed reads of their own as if they are unable to because they know everyone is town. Here voting off the back of other peoples reads without providing any sort of breakdown as to why they actually think they are sus or bringing anything new to the table.

What's your opinion on post 211, which comes prior to post 212?

I view 211 and 212 as a collective, I'm not sure why they needed to be on separate posts.

[Spartan117]

As I explained in 215 "voting off the back of other peoples reads without providing any sort of breakdown as to why they actually think they are sus or bringing anything new to the table"

[floo]

All right, here's my read on the player I've posted the most about: flow trap.

At the beginning of the day, flow trap asked for "tips on how to read someone" (53), and short, inconsequential posts suggested that the player did not have a clear sense of their goals. Later on, we saw reads and other opinions that showed a sense of direction. The short posting style remained, but the topics were more substantial. flow trap later admits:

Because I was pretending to be new?

Here is a post written a week ago in the Newbie Introduction thread (

not in this game

):

Well, as usual when I get on a new site: I have no idea what I'm doing

This makes me think flow trap was also confused.

I think the change in style suggests town. flow trap was moving away from being confused and/or pretending to be new because (s)he maintained the same style that might seem fillery. There was no pretending to have a different personality or posting style, even if that might have looked more towny.

The pair analysis chart (282) looks like town effort superficially. The image looks like it took time to input the names, fill the color, find a chart template, etc. But I'm skeptical considering how little effort flow trap has put into the writing of other posts. Ultimately, I don't put much weight on the chart.

[flow trap]

What I say is short and sweet because I don't tend to elaborate since I don't and shouldn't trust anyone

[flow trap]

Oh, and also it helps disguise my bluffs

[flow trap]

I didn't mean to invite everyone else backstage

[Fredrick A Campbell]

As I explained in 215 "voting off the back of other peoples reads without providing any sort of breakdown as to why they actually think they are sus or bringing anything new to the table"

I am voting because someone has given me a reason to think it is suspicious.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Btw, what is the difference between hammer and lolhammer?

hammer intended by most, and this is collective decision.
lolhammer is just because voter wanted to.

Hmm... so the person who knows a word like lolhammer but don't know what SR indicates, seems like a LAMIST (Look At Me, I'm So Town) thing to me.

I know what lolhammer means, because i did it with you.

SR is new term for me. I prefer "Suspicious"

I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt you know, really do.... but I was burned once, really don't want to get burned again.

If you think it is possible to give the benefit of doubt, you should. If someone is suspicious despite being given the benefit of the doubt, isn't that a much more solid suspicion? Of course, if you don't have a more suspicious player, pursue it.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

EBWOP: Of course, if you don't have a player you are more suspicious of, pursue it.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-6

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flow trap

(2): floo, Enchant

safebet222

(1): esotericzoomer

esotericzoomer

(1): Spartan117

floo

(1): Fredrick A Campbell

Enchant

(1): flow trap

Not Voting

(3): safebet222, Prism, Salsabil Faria

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 23, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-22 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[flow trap]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

I'm finding Enchant town now

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Other than esotericzoomer and me, who gave negative attention to safebet222 for his E-1 vote on you?

That's a loaded question

1. To a normal person, what safe did is blatantly scummy
2. Scum does not want to act scummy
3. Town does not care about acting scummy
3. Therefore mostly town would do this

Yes, I agree... I'm also leaning town on

safebet222

, which I find weird are your suspicions and the explanations for them.
And English is not my native language, sometimes I find it hard to understand what everyone is saying. That's why asking a lot of questions! So can you tell me what do you mean by

(i)

me being passive and fluffy,

(ii)

loaded question?

So, what is your native language? I am a bit of a language enthusiast.

[esotericzoomer]

What's the difference?

confbias, in the case of mafia, you’re so convinced someone is scum that everyone of their posts look scummy.
Being stubborn is just that, stubborn.

[esotericzoomer]

@safe @EZ since you guys are about what do you think of Fredrick so far?

He’s not exactly the most committed player to making reads or just talking in general.
While that’s not AI it makes me forget he’s even there at times which I don’t like.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Reminder: I exist.

[Enchant]

Reminder: I exist.

What if you lying and not existing actually?

Hello. This is my first game on this site.

How to play as Mafia Goon? What it do?

Enchant has played Newbie 2046 before according to Sal (44); it's a pure joke. But Enchant has not posted anything else that relates to this or is a pure joke. It looks unnatural/forced.

Also, you still haven't made any productive comments about your flow trap vote. What did you learn from the pressure you put on flow trap, and in retrospect was it a good idea?

I didn't have any yet. Need to look better.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Reminder: I exist.

What if you lying and not existing actually?
...

My existence demonstrates that I exist.