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[Gamma Emerald]

andres, do you see a world where town!hayker + scum!me exists?

I don’t like this question

[Vaxkiller]

OK, So who hates mathblade?


Like mini was not loved day 1, so this has to be scum scared of math.

[Andresvmb]

@Bypasser if your reads are bad then I’m not interested in discussing with you what to do. That push yesterday was bad and Scum piled on. I am almost certain {Luca, quiet} need to get executed. You? Maybe slightly less so. You can tunnel and be obnoxious when you think you’re right and you’re not. And perhaps you would try to pocket me more. But still, you’re not going to go into any Town core of mine any time soon.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: quiet

[Vaxkiller]

What did he do?

[Andresvmb]

What did he do?

Can you like read the game?

[Bypasser Catcher]

andres, do you see a world where town!hayker + scum!me exists?

I don’t like this question

why?

andres isn't an IC bud.

im retracting their logic to see how they reached the conclusion that i have to be part of their limpool today over anyone else.

[Bypasser Catcher]

@Bypasser if your reads are bad then I’m not interested in discussing with you what to do. That push yesterday was bad and Scum piled on. I am almost certain {Luca, quiet} need to get executed. You? Maybe slightly less so. You can tunnel and be obnoxious when you think you’re right and you’re not. And perhaps you would try to pocket me more. But still, you’re not going to go into any Town core of mine any time soon.

k i dont want u in any towncore that exists either.

[Vaxkiller]

What did he do?

Can you like read the game?

Im read up, give me the readers digest version.

[Gamma Emerald]

andres, do you see a world where town!hayker + scum!me exists?

I don’t like this question

why?

andres isn't an IC bud.

im retracting their logic to see how they reached the conclusion that i have to be part of their limpool today over anyone else.

Why do you say that?

[Andresvmb]

huh I guess the nero wagon was viable after all.

I may have had very light reasons to vote Nero when I jumped on the wagon from Hayker, but I am exceptionally happy to be on this wagon right now. My vote stays. Don't buy the claim whatsoever. The only progression I saw was anger at everyone voting them -> depression self vote -> no point in bargaining -> acceptance of their fate. But also I know for a fact I don't like playing with angry players, and that might be coloring my read. I didn't have the time I wanted to read over old games, but I'm satisfied enough with what has been said.

Plus I'm with Norfolk, and a few others. This sure as hell seems to provide a lot more info than Hayker's elim.

Also the gamestate seemed to change pretty seriously since I last posted. Today was some early susses, then an almost casual hammer on NM, a slow moving, stalled out wagon on Hayker, then whatever the hell the last 20something pages have been of fighting over Nero's slot. Three very different wagons.

Does anyone have a take on why the game slowed down when Hayker was up? Is it just because it wasn't a very exciting elim?

Here’s my issue with your logic here. You are quite certain that Not_Mafia is Scum and making a false Role claim correct? So why are you happy about your Nero vote again? Nero is so sure Not_Mafia is Scum, they fakeclaimed Not_Mafia’s role in frustration. So clearly they’re not aligned as Scum.

This was not my read whatsoever. I read them as either distancing, or trying to claim that NM had faked the tracker claim, that he was the real tracker all along.

Or are you saying this is VT fakeclaiming a PR???

I elim that anyway.

Information to justify an execution? A policy argument based on a fake claim? A seemingly informed distancing argument about Nero Cain and Not_Mafia? Yeah, I don’t think I’m going to be trusting this slot any time soon.

[Bypasser Catcher]

andres, do you see a world where town!hayker + scum!me exists?

I don’t like this question

why?

andres isn't an IC bud.

im retracting their logic to see how they reached the conclusion that i have to be part of their limpool today over anyone else.

Why do you say that?

because i was fucking sus of them d1 !!!!!!!!!!!
it feels just way too fucking convenient ok.

and them stating they dont wanna lim hayker is setting off huge fucking sirens in my head.

[Bypasser Catcher]

if nero didnt fakeclaim there was a chance i switched off but how do u fucking read that as towny when ur uninformed please tell me. like holy shit that was the scummiest claim ive ever seen.

[Bypasser Catcher]

nero deadass gamethrew idgaf u dont fucking fakeclaim to save urself as a vt or maintain a self vote like that. thats just someone trying to set up their meta for scum games and its annoiying as fuck

[Andresvmb]

Like if I had to summarize it - a few arguments were made about Nero and that wagon escalated quickly. Onto what you would agree is a good player, correct? A few players seized on Norwegian’s and Momrangal’s meta logic, which was quite obviously incorrect (and Nero blasted it in those terms), and then the reasoning provided by quiet above.

There’s Scum in there. Bypasser was also cheering the wagon way too aggressively, pouncing on every little thing and making it seem like the Scummiest thing that anybody had ever done.

Obviously there’s also Scum off the wagon. I think Ranny is a good candidate for that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

[Andresvmb]

andres, do you see a world where town!hayker + scum!me exists?

I don’t like this question

why?

andres isn't an IC bud.

im retracting their logic to see how they reached the conclusion that i have to be part of their limpool today over anyone else.

Why do you say that?

because i was fucking sus of them d1 !!!!!!!!!!!
it feels just way too fucking convenient ok.

and them stating they dont wanna lim hayker is setting off huge fucking sirens in my head.

Why would I want to execute the counter wagon that some of the Scummy slots on Nero were perfectly happy to switch back and forth from? I don’t think so.

[quiet]

Unfortunate.

Read through Mini’s posts just now, but didn’t see any breadcrumbs even in retrospect or tells that could tip of that they were a PR. So I now have no idea why that kill happens. Maybe the whole “scum lurk” meta is kinda just not true.

Of the three people Andre sussed on the Nero wagon, I think I look the worst. I think the reasoning that BC gave on himself (“why would I burn all my towncred day1 pushing town as visibly as I did”) also holds for Luca to some degree. Seems to me scum would just hop on for light reasons, vote quietly, or say “I don’t know about this but whatever”, not be the face of the miselim. I think I fall into that same category, more than those other two.

As I said yesterday, my reason for jumping on the Nero wagon was light, but when I came back and saw the E-3 claim of tracker and the vitriolic pushback, I became very happy with my vote. I didn’t buy the claim for a second; that sealed the deal for me. Unfortunate that it was wrong. Apparently VT frustrated fakeclaims are a thing.

[Bypasser Catcher]

Like if I had to summarize it - a few arguments were made about Nero and that wagon escalated quickly. Onto what you would agree is a good player, correct? A few players seized on Norwegian’s and Momrangal’s meta logic, which was quite obviously incorrect (and Nero blasted it in those terms), and then the reasoning provided by quiet above.

There’s Scum in there. Bypasser was also cheering the wagon way too aggressively, pouncing on every little thing and making it seem like the Scummiest thing that anybody had ever done.

Obviously there’s also Scum off the wagon. I think Ranny is a good candidate for that.

k i dont know who nero is but the way they came off sounds like a whiny child who definitely doesnt feel like they are good at this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who else knows Mathblade here?

[Andresvmb]

Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

We’re not doing this. Not nearly enough reason to execute Titus.

[Binatog13]

I don't understand the Town Role Watcher. Is it like the same as the ordinary watcher?

[Bypasser Catcher]

i played with mathblade but all they did was incorrectly read me in 2 games and mishammer lylo so thats how ive seen them.

also saw them full solve a game though from spec chat.

[Bypasser Catcher]

I don't understand the Town Role Watcher. Is it like the same as the ordinary watcher?

oh i know about this role, quite embarassing actually as ive been caught by this very role as scum!

its like watcher, but instead of telling you the name of the palyer who visited, you get the name of the ROLE that visited.

[Bypasser Catcher]

Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

oh u reminded me that there was something about titus i wanted to bring up ?

let me find it.