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[Momrangal]

Andre
Gamma
Bina

Dbg
Math/mini
Norwee
Norfolk
Ranny

Hayker

Dk
Titus
NPOM

Luca

plus
Vax
Molla


That's what overnight fermentation got me, below Hayker is null to null scum

[Momrangal]

^Sideline me*

Thunk he could possibly have an ego that's bigger than his actual game value?

[Andresvmb]

^Sideline me*

Thunk he could possibly have an ego that's bigger than his actual game value?

That’s option (iii).

[Andresvmb]

Andre
Gamma
Bina

Dbg
Math/mini
Norwee
Norfolk
Ranny

Hayker

Dk
Titus
NPOM

Luca

plus
Vax
Molla


That's what overnight fermentation got me, below Hayker is null to null scum

Where do you have quiet?

[Andresvmb]

Bypasser (Koba) replaced onto the NPOM slot so you’re missing a name or two I think.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah and Not_Mafia.

[chkflip]

I am also not on this reads list?

[chkflip]

WAIT WHY IS MATH LOWER LMAO

[Andresvmb]

Tbh I kind of just want this day to end so I can do my night action

VOTE: Hayker

Are you sure this is the right wagon?

VOTE: Hayker

Haykers gonna Hayk Hayk Hayk.

Norway; first, aid me with the %s that a)Meta and b) the slip are the reasons for your vote.

Second, if there is belief in a 'slip', why is Mom not being wagonned?

If Norfolk was actually tracked as Scum, then yeah don’t execute Hayker.

[quiet]

So let me get this straight.

After sorta kinda claiming two roles after replacing into a widely considered scummy slot, both kinda trolly, one that literally could not be confirmed for two nights.

NM selected the one and only player that killed to track in a lobby of 19 (and why I can see the argument for a Norfolk track, I think there are other choices that might swing more obvious)

And this seems likely to people?

Additionally, I’ve done my very best to read back on some older 20ish person games to see how many power roles were likely to see. One PR is dead. 4-maybeee 5 scum, 4-5 PRs expected.

Is that correct?

Given the size/closed nature of the game, are counterclaims a thing at all like they would be in a newbie game? Would it even be worth counterclaiming for a PR, given that for sure we get one scum in 2 nights here, and that gives up info to the scum team, plus any role counterclaim that could exist could theoretically coexist with NMs? And that’s assuming someone even has a role that would conceivably block NMs claim. Is there any other way to determine which we should elim tonight besides just reads? The counterclaim thing was kinda discussed yesterday with Nero, as a reason why his panic claim looked scummy.

I understand why people might go Norfolk first, as if NM tracker is real, is boon to town. But they prob get killed tonight anyway if they are real. So that argument may be less valuable.

I guess I’m asking how important it is that we elim correct tonight, given that we are garenteed one scum in the next two. Is that pace too slow?

[Andresvmb]

Wait quiet, are you actually pushing for the Tracker Claim who has a result, instead of the tracked player? Is this what you’re doing?

[Andresvmb]

I understand why people might go Norfolk first, as if NM tracker is real, is boon to town. But they prob get killed tonight anyway if they are real. So that argument may be less valuable.

You even put a disclaimer!

[Andresvmb]

Alright I don’t know why I’m getting even remotely aggravated about this game. I’ll very sporadically check this since obviously we’re executing in Norfolk/Not_Mafia and I don’t want to waste my breath trying to argue anything else. If anybody thinks I could be remotely on point ask me directly or wants to engage on a read I’ve put out ask directly.

[quiet]

Not pushing it.

As far as I’m concerned one of the two of them gets voted tonight.

If the pace of one scum in two nights is fast enough, then sure, let’s do Norfolk first.

If it’s not, if an extra town elim night is decently bad for town, especially given the source of this claim, which is why I asked the question, then yeah, I do think at least questioning it is worthwhile.

Maybe this is my newbie showing. But uh....

NM is dead tmmrw if their claim was false from day1. They were probably dead yesterday without it. So this is looking like the only play. I want to discuss it at least. If it’s stupid, it’s stupid

[chkflip]

look out heybbmolla

here comes heyandres

[quiet]

This is actually me asking. Andre, you think it’s a stupid idea, okay, it probably is then. That’s why I asked.

Didn’t mean to aggravate. Sorry.

[chkflip]

FUCK THAT, DOUBLE DOWN. HIS IDEA IS STUPIDER.

DON'T BE FUCKIN' TIMID.

[Andresvmb]

Questioning that is not worthwhile actually, no. It’s just Scummy. If Not_Mafia is lying, they’re trading their slot for a player that hasn’t posted that much and has been somewhat on and off? Why? You don’t think the Claim would have come against a player that’s either more widely recognized as dangerous or that is being widely TR?

That together with the fact that they were almost quickly executed yesterday and softed the Role really makes your post somewhat preposterous.

[Andresvmb]

This is actually me asking. Andre, you think it’s a stupid idea, okay, it probably is then. That’s why I asked.

Didn’t mean to aggravate. Sorry.

You’re not responsible for how I’m feeling. Don’t worry.

[Andresvmb]

Andre, you think it’s a stupid idea, okay, it probably is then.

I’m curious as to this. I don’t think I’m a bad player, but I certainly don’t know that if I think something is correct, then it is. We’re all fallible. Always feel free to argue logic with me that’s all good.

[Andresvmb]

I’m probably somewhat overreacting to you because you’re in the shortlist of players that really didn’t look good from yesterday. But maybe I’m giving you too much grief and Norway too little.

[quiet]

DON'T BE FUCKIN' TIMID.

My name is literally quiet. Timid is like, my whole thing.
Don’t take it from me, it’s all I have.

I’m so quiet that Mom didn’t even notice me enough to put me on her reads list but still thinks I’m scummy.
It’s tragic really.


Andres. Is what they did really softing the role? They claimed two roles yesterday.
And would they really target someone scummy or someone dangerous? I thought Norfolk was basically the perfect frame.

Or maybe Norfolk is just scum, and we get a tracker out of the bargain. GGs NM for the god tier tracker choice.
If you’re happy with two elims for one mafia in the worst case, that it’s always worth the risk to maybe save a tracker to the point that even DISCUSSING it is preposterous, then sure. I’ll be on board.

VOTE: norfolk

[Andresvmb]

DON'T BE FUCKIN' TIMID.

My name is literally quiet. Timid is like, my whole thing.
Don’t take it from me, it’s all I have.

I’m so quiet that Mom didn’t even notice me enough to put me on her reads list but still thinks I’m scummy.
It’s tragic really.


Andres. Is what they did really softing the role? They claimed two roles yesterday.
And would they really target someone scummy or someone dangerous? I thought Norfolk was basically the perfect frame.

Or maybe Norfolk is just scum, and we get a tracker out of the bargain. GGs NM for the god tier tracker choice.
If you’re happy with two elims for one mafia in the worst case, that it’s always worth the risk to maybe save a tracker to the point that even DISCUSSING it is preposterous, then sure. I’ll be on board.

VOTE: norfolk

I am fairly certain that if Not_Mafia is Scum and trying to frame someone, Norfolk would not have been up there as the target. Not enough game presence or pull to make it worth the inevitable execution the next day. Also note, they could have backtracked on their Tracker claim, kept the Weak Neighbor claim, and tried to frame someone tomorrow while possibly avoiding an execution today.

[Andresvmb]

Sorry haha they couldn’t have framed someone with the Weak Neighbor claimed I misremembered the modifier - they would have had to die for that to be the case.

[quiet]

I’m curious as to this. I don’t think I’m a bad player, but I certainly don’t know that if I think something is correct, then it is. We’re all fallible. Always feel free to argue logic with me that’s all good.

All good. It’s not that Inthink you’re infallible, it’s that in a situation like this (just always vote the tracker guilty and if it’s wrong get the tracker next), you’ve probably seen it before, I haven't ever. I’ll differ to you or other people I read towny and experienced there.

Maybe we evaluate the scummyness of NMs slot differently, and that is also part of it.