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[ejjinami]

actually, now that I think of it, there are more arguments for lunar, bugs, mom not being the team

Why would lunar try to lynch bugs for 3 days straight with so many counter-wagons present?
why would mom bother defending them both when both of them were busy getting each other killed?
if luca thought bugs is a lost cause, why did mom not try to fake interactions with them at least a bit?
imo she seemed rather happy most of the time

no action = no interest
no interest = no pressure
no pressure = the majority of the scum-team wasn’t getting lynched?

It doesn’t get easier than that imo

[me, mom, bugs] makes way more sense than [mom, bugs, luca] lmao

VOTE: Bugspray
I almost completely agree with the case and my one concern doesn’t really weaken it at all

I’m sorry for being rude but do you have any original reads?

That vote screams to me "Ahhhh my partner is going down and someone was just encouraged to vote, I need to make sure I get on that wagon ASAP!"

I don’t know what it means if bugs is scum
I know that I absolutely hate that attitude in case of him being town

The result will be clear after 1 lynch anyway.

[Frogsterking]

Intent to hammer.

..K

Also, I knew confirmation bias was the most powerful force in the universe, but this is on a level I've never seen before. I might have discovered confirmation bias' power source here.

I like how me being right plays into me being Mafia.

Check:

am i getting punk'd lmao?

u accused me of active lurking on like my 2nd or 3rd post lmao?

did prodging become AI while i was away im starting to get lost in the sauce rn

Well at the very least he’s an unhelpful pointless townie
VOTE: Nosferatu

ok now i know somethings up bro you're not telling me you actually read that incoherent ramble and just said "well ya know hes not doing much"

WHAT

I also thought Nosferatu's reaction to my FoS was terrible in addition to his silent BW in the spoilers below:

I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

what are you even saying bro
which one of us was drinking last night lmao

wait until sober to post*

VOTE: walter

Overall sordoros appears closer to new-neutral than new-scum from my point of view while Nosferatu straight up deserves a BW.

he didnt even say what he didnt like bro

what the fuck is a silent bandwagon, a naked vote?

he literally quoted a correction you can't even tell what im talking about

this is like performance art

callforjudgement continues their focus on optimal play. I suspect their desire to lecture people over how they ought to play is a NAI personality trait.

I do it to make it possible to distinguish between players who play in an anti-town way out of ignorance and players who play in an anti-town way out of choice. It isn't intended to read me, so much as to read other players.

On that note, VOTE: Nosferatu. I was hoping to sort Nosferatu by seeing where their vote moved after I pointed out that it wasn't doing anything useful, but Nosferatu seems happy to be intentionally hard to read and to make it hard for it to scumhunt other players, even after I explained the consequences of those actions.

I think Frogster's initial case on Nosferatu is weak (but seems to be sincere), but Nosferatu's reaction to it has been pretty telling in its own right.

im so over this bullshit read my town pm and weep

VOTE: nosferatu

if ur on this wagon you suck at this game

it is anti-town wincon to bleed town d1 and you know it cfg, and that bullshit abt consequences of being on whats basically an rvs wagon is ridiculous

those actions.

I think Frogster's initial case on Nosferatu is weak (but seems to be sincere), but Nosferatu's reaction to it has been pretty telling in its own right.

which bit didn't you like?

i dont like unvoting; i dont see a pressing reason to switch off, etc

this I amfine with for example.
note that you are buddying up with frogster and using their logic/wagon to justify your own vote

thats not what buddying means bro im not pocketing him by telling him his case is shit or endearing myself to him in any fucking way

just send me to the fucking spoiler chat

VOTE: Frogsterking

I can't possibly see Frogsterking acting this way if he knows I'm town. Tunnelling may not be all that hard to fake, but this sort of utterly illogical tunnelling, based on a fantasy gamestate that makes no sense and exists only in Frogsterking's mind, is almost impossible to fake; I don't think it's possible to get your mind into that place if you have proof from your role PM that you're wrong. Frogsterking's behaviour is very anti-town (in that it doesn't actually help with finding anyone else as scum, and doesn't help Frogsterking get sensible reads either, and means that Frogsterking will probably end up losing the game by voting for the wrong player near late-game due to having no understanding of the actual gamestate). But it isn't something that I think can come from scum.

As a consequence, I'm seeing Frogsterking as pretty much certain town, and other players should be seeing Frogsterking as "town unless CFJ is scum, and probably still town even then".

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

wrap it up we found scum! someone is smoking in my profile picture!

[Lunar Martian]

I'm not saying Mafia don't bus. But your argument is "This person correctly scumread someone. Therefore, Mafia." It's trashcan logic.

[ejjinami]

quitting the TvT would be appreciated.
Focusing on bugs/luca instead would be great as well

...or just waiting for me to write my case
a few hours really won’t kill you

[ejjinami]

you can try to figure out the other scum afterwards

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bugspray
I almost completely agree with the case and my one concern doesn’t really weaken it at all

I’m sorry for being rude but do you have any original reads?

Technically that’s my read to begin with. But besides that I’ve had plenty of original reads I’d say.
Also I was hesitant on voting but decided I wanted to put Lunar to the test. He didn’t do the first thing I expected him to do as scum but that doesn’t mean he’s town to me, I don’t like how he’s pushing me here.

[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: Bugspray
I almost completely agree with the case and my one concern doesn’t really weaken it at all

I’m sorry for being rude but do you have any original reads?

Technically that’s my read to begin with. But besides that I’ve had plenty of original reads I’d say.
Also I was hesitant on voting but decided I wanted to put Lunar to the test. He didn’t do the first thing I expected him to do as scum but that doesn’t mean he’s town to me, I don’t like how he’s pushing me here.

You expected me as Mafia to hammer there? Also, if this was your read and you were so keen on it, why weren't you on the wagon before E-1?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know what it means if bugs is scum
I know that I absolutely hate that attitude in case of him being town

The result will be clear after 1 lynch anyway.

This also doesn’t look great

Also don’t like ejji calling me vs. Lunar TvT like that.

[Gamma Emerald]

You expected me as Mafia to hammer there? Also, if this was your read and you were so keen on it, why weren't you on the wagon before E-1?

Yes I did, I saw Frog baiting you and decided to raise the stakes on it a bit, figuring you might take the hammer if I gave it to you.
Also I was being snarky, I wasn’t really sure about bugs until Frog posted that. But I tend to let go of scumreads without really being conscious of it when I have a correct scumread, and bugs fell into that net of reads.

[Lunar Martian]

I don’t know what it means if bugs is scum
I know that I absolutely hate that attitude in case of him being town

The result will be clear after 1 lynch anyway.

This also doesn’t look great

Also don’t like ejji calling me vs. Lunar TvT like that.

I must admit I agree with this. Interesting.

[ejjinami]

VOTE: Bugspray
I almost completely agree with the case and my one concern doesn’t really weaken it at all

I’m sorry for being rude but do you have any original reads?

Technically that’s my read to begin with. But besides that I’ve had plenty of original reads I’d say.
Also I was hesitant on voting but decided I wanted to put Lunar to the test. He didn’t do the first thing I expected him to do as scum but that doesn’t mean he’s town to me, I don’t like how he’s pushing me here.

I’m pushing you as well. Actually, I pushed you first
unless you wanna say that I’m scum with him, that means something.

and you’re doing the exact same thing I wrote was bad just a second ago. Lunar literally can’t be scum with bugs
decide one one

I don’t know what it means if bugs is scum
I know that I absolutely hate that attitude in case of him being town

The result will be clear after 1 lynch anyway.

This also doesn’t look great

Also don’t like ejji calling me vs. Lunar TvT like that.

I was talking about frogster vs lunar TvT.
...I’ve been doubting you since I replaced in? and I commented directly under frog&lunar’s quarrel
I have no idea how you could have misunderstood that one

I don’t know what it means if bugs is scum
I know that I absolutely hate that attitude in case of him being town

The result will be clear after 1 lynch anyway.

This also doesn’t look great

Also don’t like ejji calling me vs. Lunar TvT like that.

I must admit I agree with this. Interesting.

lol

[ejjinami]

I should probably be cramming rn
bb after the test

[Lunar Martian]

Ah well given that it was based on a factual error, I retract my agreement. More confident on Gamma now.

[Frogsterking]

I'm still waiting on that hammer Lunar. What are you waiting for, a claim?

VOTE: Bugspray
I almost completely agree with the case and my one concern doesn’t really weaken it at all

I’m sorry for being rude but do you have any original reads?

Technically that’s my read to begin with. But besides that I’ve had plenty of original reads I’d say.
Also I was hesitant on voting but decided I wanted to put Lunar to the test. He didn’t do the first thing I expected him to do as scum but that doesn’t mean he’s town to me, I don’t like how he’s pushing me here.

I expected Lunar to hammer only if they're town because I'm expecting a Bugs flip today to be near autoloss for scum. There is a 0% chance Lunar will hammer Bugs because Lunar will be letting their scum team down.

[Frogsterking]

quitting the TvT would be appreciated.
Focusing on bugs/luca instead would be great as well

...or just waiting for me to write my case
a few hours really won’t kill you

I have one million percent certainty the final pair is Bugs/Lunar. Lunar can't hammer because of autoloss.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was talking about frogster vs lunar TvT.

Yeah so? Lunar and your predecessor clashed in a similar way, would be convenient for you if people saw that as TvT no? But I feel like Lunar agreeing with me and then retracting like he did is the actually scum-indicative thing her vs. you seeming to be pushing things that I think are self-serving.

[Lunar Martian]

quitting the TvT would be appreciated.
Focusing on bugs/luca instead would be great as well

...or just waiting for me to write my case
a few hours really won’t kill you

I have one million percent certainty the final pair is Bugs/Lunar. Lunar can't hammer because of autoloss.

I have been kindly asked not to hammer yet. Just keep ignoring the facts and everything happening in the thread, and twist literally everything I say into reasons I'm Mafia. Tbh, at this point I'm kind of egging you on because it's pretty entertaining.

[ejjinami]

Frogster, bugs isn’t necessarily scum.

Even if I’m wrong and he is, it really doesn’t hurt you to wait those few hours, let me screw my slot over even more, get ignored and bugs lol-hammered.
w/e, just let me post my read, please.

quitting the TvT would be appreciated.
Focusing on bugs/luca instead would be great as well

...or just waiting for me to write my case
a few hours really won’t kill you

I have one million percent certainty the final pair is Bugs/Lunar. Lunar can't hammer because of autoloss.

oh hey, then I have one million percent certainty that you’re wrong :)

can you answer what I wrote in my case above?

sorry if I’m being rude btw, this just isn’t something I can imagine
it just isn’t
those aren’t interactions of a fully functioning scum team
we really just won’t agree here

I was talking about frogster vs lunar TvT.

Yeah so? Lunar and your predecessor clashed in a similar way, would be convenient for you if people saw that as TvT no? But I feel like Lunar agreeing with me and then retracting like he did is the actually scum-indicative thing her vs. you seeming to be pushing things that I think are self-serving.

if you think I and lunar are a scum-team why aren’t you voting me lmao

and I said NOTHING about me and lunar being TvT. Don’t twist my words, please

[Lunar Martian]

There's over a week until deadline. I'll probably hammer sometime tomorrow, but might wait until Saturday to give everyone at least 24 hours to post thoughts before night.

[Gamma Emerald]

if you think I and lunar are a scum-team why aren’t you voting me lmao

and I said NOTHING about me and lunar being TvT. Don’t twist my words, please

I don’t think it’s you and lunar, I definitively think it is bugs and someone else, that someone else being lunar rn
And you didn’t say it now but it’s not impossible for you to try to bring it up later. If I were less charitable I’d suppose you were annoyed I called you on it pre-emptively.

[Lunar Martian]

I was talking about frogster vs lunar TvT.

Yeah so? Lunar and your predecessor clashed in a similar way, would be convenient for you if people saw that as TvT no? But I feel like Lunar agreeing with me and then retracting like he did is the actually scum-indicative thing her vs. you seeming to be pushing things that I think are self-serving.

I retracted because the facts changed. It would be weird to call me vs you a TvT. I don't think it's strange to call me vs Frogster a TvT. Although the longer Frogster's tunnel on me continues the more paranoid I get.

[Frogsterking]

Lunar, if the reason for your brief pro town change in playstyle at the beginning of D2 --where you actually appeared to be trying to scum hunt and explain your reads and interact with other players-- was because you were getting used to Normals, why are you regressing back into your D1 persona now? Are you getting un-used to them?

[Lunar Martian]

Lunar, if the reason for your brief pro town change in playstyle at the beginning of D2 --where you actually appeared to be trying to scum hunt and explain your reads and interact with other players-- was because you were getting used to Normals, why are you regressing back into your D1 persona now? Are you getting un-used to them?

I think I've solved the game. I'm just biding my time while people say what they need to. I'll reconsider tomorrow if I'm proven wrong.

[ejjinami]

if you think I and lunar are a scum-team why aren’t you voting me lmao

and I said NOTHING about me and lunar being TvT. Don’t twist my words, please

I don’t think it’s you and lunar, I definitively think it is bugs and someone else, that someone else being lunar rn
And you didn’t say it now but it’s not impossible for you to try to bring it up later. If I were less charitable I’d suppose you were annoyed I called you on it pre-emptively.

ok, then comment on my last case as well.
Lunar is close to lock town on their own, they tunneled bugs for the majority of the game while mom jumped casually between unrelated wagons

mom wasn’t concerned wiht “2/3 of her scum team” getting lynched,
bugs didn’t seem pressured enough to fake ANY sort of interactions nor vote ANYWHERE, despite “2/3 of the scum team getting lynched”
and that all happened while lunar decided to screw all of them and buss.

how is that a functioning scum team????

Lunar, if the reason for your brief pro town change in playstyle at the beginning of D2 --where you actually appeared to be trying to scum hunt and explain your reads and interact with other players-- was because you were getting used to Normals, why are you regressing back into your D1 persona now? Are you getting un-used to them?

SIGH

I’m 99,999% certain that’s NAI.
Not explaining reads in detail =/= being scum.
Caring enough to explain everything = possibly not wanting to get scum-read = scummy.

unless a player is literally unable to fake content (which obviously isn’t the case for lunar) it works in the exact opposite way

[Frogsterking]

Lunar, if the reason for your brief pro town change in playstyle at the beginning of D2 --where you actually appeared to be trying to scum hunt and explain your reads and interact with other players-- was because you were getting used to Normals, why are you regressing back into your D1 persona now? Are you getting un-used to them?

I think I've solved the game. I'm just biding my time while people say what they need to. I'll reconsider tomorrow if I'm proven wrong.

Why don't you case it then?