Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[Prism]

I really don't like 459 from safebet. This comes right off the heels of esoteric's great wall of reads but the thinking doesn't really add up to me.

The treatment of SEs is wildly inconsistent. The townlean on me for my content is qualified by my SE status, but Spartan does not get the same treatment. He scolds Frederick and sees him as playing below what he's capable of but the result is....null.

What changed to you about flow trap, safebet? You didn't really take issue with flow trap's reaction at the time. 129 has you looking at esoteric and Spartan. I'm concerned because you've spent a ton of time disagreeing with esoteric's theory but flow_trap got a pass until the consensus was against them.

flow trap is still being themselves but they've noticeably gotten more comfortable in their own skin and pressed forward with trying to solve. The pairing chart was also so out of left field at a time when they had more important things to worry about as scum.

[Prism]

My voting preference is something like Frederick/safebet->Enchant/Spartan->floo->Salsabil->flow trap->Esoteric.

[Prism]

I've got no pronoun preference, by the way. Use whatever you like.

[Enchant]

You will hate me for this.

I will hammer anyone, if i see him at E-1.

Don't put people on E-1 unless you surely decide you want them dead. Ask for claims on E-2, so mafia can't trade self on some Cop claim with instant punch.

I decided on it, so don't argue.

[Prism]

I will elaborate on this post at a later date.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I feel like there is 1 scum between Flow trap Vs Sal.
I don't see it as Scum Vs Scum, and it just doesn't feel like Town Vs Town to me.

I'm town for sure.

What was the point of this post?

Are you asking me?

Yes.

[Prism]

Frederick, what is your current thinking on safebet?

I'm skeptical of your voteswitch to floo. You seemed to have a reason you placed some belief in on safebet. For floo, it looks like your vote was prompted by discussion around the fear of appearing scummy comment. It's really rare to see someone admit to insecurity in perception early in RVS-this is exactly what scum is trying to avoid displaying-and I read it the complete opposite way as +town. I can get this from a beginner but as someone who's been around the block a few times, does your experience not match mine?

[Prism]

I'm a big fan of realtime interactions, which in my experience are a lot harder for scum to fake. I'll be around for awhile. If anyone wants to talk to me about a read of mine or yours, let me know.

[Enchant]

I'm a big fan of realtime interactions, which in my experience are a lot harder for scum to fake. I'll be around for awhile. If anyone wants to talk to me about a read of mine or yours, let me know.

What you think about Salsa?

[floo]

You will hate me for this.

I will hammer anyone, if i see him at E-1.

Don't put people on E-1 unless you surely decide you want them dead. Ask for claims on E-2, so mafia can't trade self on some Cop claim with instant punch.

I decided on it, so don't argue.

possible motives for this:
- wild reaction test (most rational motive)
- attention seeking
- perplex other players
- avoid scumreads for posting weird stuff (like the Mafia joke claim) and then not posting weird stuff
- concern over lolhammer (talked about it at the beginning of the game, very disapprovingly)

[Prism]

What you think about Salsa?

I gut townread posts like 126 and agreed with her side of things more with flow_trap. Being right unfortunately doesn't make her town but I don't want to vote her so far. Posts asking about reasoning for pushing safebet pinged town to me given that she had just outed a TR on safebet shortly before.

[Prism]

Going through your ISO Enchant it's not clear to me what your thoughts are on her. You've spent a lot of time responding to her interrogations regarding terminology/which ones you should know.

Where are you at on her?

Has anything changed since 395 where you didn't have any scumreads, just the initial ping on flow? I'm curious about Frederick/safebet.

[Enchant]

Going through your ISO Enchant it's not clear to me what your thoughts are on her. You've spent a lot of time responding to her interrogations regarding terminology/which ones you should know.

Where are you at on her?

Has anything changed since 395 where you didn't have any scumreads, just the initial ping on flow? I'm curious about Frederick/safebet.

I find her somewhat suspicious for trying changing meaning of what i say and picks on mind change, but i can't really notice difference from game where i played with her.

She not using purple color for text now.

[Enchant]

Frederick jumped on Floo, when i asked question for him.

Too harsh and impatient. I think he is townie.


I have nothing to say about safebet.

[Prism]

I feel like there is 1 scum between Flow trap Vs Sal.
I don't see it as Scum Vs Scum, and it just doesn't feel like Town Vs Town to me.

I'm town for sure.

What was the point of this post?

Are you asking me?

Yes.

So, uh, was that it for the night or is there more on the way?

[flow trap]

I feel like there is 1 scum between Flow trap Vs Sal.
I don't see it as Scum Vs Scum, and it just doesn't feel like Town Vs Town to me.

I'm town for sure.

What was the point of this post?

Are you asking me?

Yes.

So, uh, was that it for the night or is there more on the way?

I mean they do have 7 days

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Frederick, what is your current thinking on safebet?

I'm skeptical of your voteswitch to floo. You seemed to have a reason you placed some belief in on safebet. For floo, it looks like your vote was prompted by discussion around the fear of appearing scummy comment. It's really rare to see someone admit to insecurity in perception early in RVS-this is exactly what scum is trying to avoid displaying-and I read it the complete opposite way as +town. I can get this from a beginner but as someone who's been around the block a few times, does your experience not match mine?

I am actually null on safebet222.

I don't quite get what you are trying to say in the second paragraph.

[Prism]

I mean they do have 7 days

Is there a reason you're trying to alleviate the pressure I'm applying?

If you think it's a bad push, explain why. Saying this just gets in the way for 0 reason.

[Prism]

I am actually null on safebet222.

Okay, what shifted?

For the second paragraph I'm saying that from my experience scum generally doesn't openly admit to being insecure about how they're perceived, which was the issue you quoted before voting floo.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Btw,

Fredrick A Campbell

, what are your reads about everyone at the moment?

I don't like to publicise this. You could ask me about specific players, and I will tell you.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I am actually null on safebet222.

Okay, what shifted?

For the second paragraph I'm saying that from my experience scum generally doesn't openly admit to being insecure about how they're perceived, which was the issue you quoted before voting floo.

I had been null on safebet222 since the start of the game.

As for the second paragraph, what are you trying to say?

[Prism]

So Fred... What do you think of the reactions so far? Do you still think I am deserving of your vote?

You are worthy of my vote. Hence, my vote is on you.

I don't think I can simplify the second paragraph further.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

No need to simplify. Just tell me the point you are trying to make.

[Prism]

Actually I'll try directly quoting

Found this sus to even insinuate it is somewhat serious a vote this early on with such little discussion, unless ofc this is to obtain a reaction and read responses.

Right, as I explained I said it was "partially serious" to avoid seeming scummy / too random.

I probably ask something nonsense, but really want.

Why you think placing votes suspicious? Do you really care how suspicious are you?

Of course explaining votes is good, but doing that and claiming you did that just to don't seem suspicious for that is really something strange.

Town supposed to push suspicious people, you know.

I second that. Not your vote but your explanation is suspicious : "

to avoid seeming scummy"

I third that.

I am saying I directly disagree with this, particularly Salsabil's reasoning here. I think this is a natural thought for relative beginners. I am wondering why someone who has been around the block more often agrees with this.

At this level I don't see any scum openly admit to being insecure about their appearance with 0 prompting, because scum

fear being perceived as selfconcious

[Prism]

I feel like you're missing the point of my questioning on safebet, I'm asking about 191's stance on safebet and how that has changed over time. You seem to be saying you were null at the time of 191, is that accurate?