Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[flow trap]

I mean they do have 7 days

Is there a reason you're trying to alleviate the pressure I'm applying?

If you think it's a bad push, explain why. Saying this just gets in the way for 0 reason.

I have a dry sense of humor

[flow trap]

I feel like you're missing the point of my questioning on safebet, I'm asking about 191's stance on safebet and how that has changed over time. You seem to be saying you were null at the time of 191, is that accurate?

There are other motives for votes than suspicion

[Prism]

Again it puzzles me as to why you're diffusing questions and answering for him. I'm well aware of other motives. It is my job, and yours, to trace his thought process and figure out how legitimate those are. 499 is asking to elaborate on why he voted if my reading-that he didn't actually suspect safebet-is correct.

All you have to do is wait and see if his answers line up to you. You're shooting us both in the foot right now, arguably all 3 of us.

[Prism]

Like if you outright think he's town and want to talk about it, that's a productive conversation.

Shutting down my questions to Frederick and suggesting answers instead of just letting him respond is not productive.

[flow trap]

I mean they do have 7 days

Is there a reason you're trying to alleviate the pressure I'm applying?

If you think it's a bad push, explain why. Saying this just gets in the way for 0 reason.

I have a dry sense of humor

Correction. I was merely suggesting the possibility that they were planning something for the future.

[flow trap]

Like if you outright think he's town and want to talk about it, that's a productive conversation.

Shutting down my questions to Frederick and suggesting answers instead of just letting him respond is not productive.

No, waiting 10 hours for a single response is not productive. I am unbiased when it comes to defending or attacking someone. If someone does something suspicious I'm going to call them out on it whether I town read them or not. If I find a possible reason I'm going to suggest it.

[Prism]

Yeah, I'm sure we both learned a lot more about Frederick from your posting than we would have talking to him.

My patience for the night is spent and this is a waste of time given that you're not even scummy, just getting in the way for its own sake. I'll cede the floor to others for now.

[Prism]

The last I'll say on it is your last sentence of 505 is exactly the value in waiting. Figure out the rest for yourself, I'm not going to continue clogging up the thread with this.

[flow trap]

Yeah, I'm sure we both learned a lot more about Frederick from your posting than we would have talking to him.

Baloney, you're assumption that they would be able to talk anytime soon is clearly a misrepresentation of what my original motive was.

[esotericzoomer]

I think Enchant came off a lot better reading realtime-you (Esoteric) seem to be reading in ISO. I wouldn't call him town but a lot of the filler was either relevant or pretty natural posting, ex. joking about lolhammers after expressing caution about them.

I'm really curious about this:

Yes. I said exactly that, not "They probably not maf both, but one of them surely there".

If I'm reading this right and the language barrier isn't fucking this up, Enchant pulls a random "one of them is scum" situation out of his ass, very much disapprove.
-0.5

I called a similar issue out with Spartan in 311 and 421. When asked why it's TvS, he gave more resaoning as to why Salsabil individually was town and flow individually was scum rather than they were diametrically opposed. I don't think you touch on this in your wall. Spartan isn't a bad alternative right now.

Yeah I absolutely read his post wrong here, that’s my bad, I still scumread him though.

[esotericzoomer]

You will hate me for this.

I will hammer anyone, if i see him at E-1.

Don't put people on E-1 unless you surely decide you want them dead. Ask for claims on E-2, so mafia can't trade self on some Cop claim with instant punch.

I decided on it, so don't argue.

possible motives for this:
- wild reaction test (most rational motive)
- attention seeking
- perplex other players
- avoid scumreads for posting weird stuff (like the Mafia joke claim) and then not posting weird stuff
- concern over lolhammer (talked about it at the beginning of the game, very disapprovingly)

His post was NAI

[esotericzoomer]

VOTE: Fredrick

Hey, i won mafiatest, and got -11, while he got -5.

Why you not pushing me, but instead change mind soo easy.

Because people are more content voting fredrick than they are you.

[esotericzoomer]

I think Enchant came off a lot better reading realtime-you (Esoteric) seem to be reading in ISO. I wouldn't call him town but a lot of the filler was either relevant or pretty natural posting, ex. joking about lolhammers after expressing caution about them.

I'm really curious about this:

Yes. I said exactly that, not "They probably not maf both, but one of them surely there".

If I'm reading this right and the language barrier isn't fucking this up, Enchant pulls a random "one of them is scum" situation out of his ass, very much disapprove.
-0.5

I called a similar issue out with Spartan in 311 and 421. When asked why it's TvS, he gave more resaoning as to why Salsabil individually was town and flow individually was scum rather than they were diametrically opposed. I don't think you touch on this in your wall. Spartan isn't a bad alternative right now.

Yeah I absolutely read his post wrong here, that’s my bad, I still scumread him though.

Also whether it’s on topic or not, filler is still filler

[esotericzoomer]

all aloneee

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-8

Iceland's autonomy was chipped away first by the kings of Norway and then by Denmark after much of Scandinavia was conquered and consolidated by the kings of Denmark. Economic freedom in particular was curtailed as Danish merchants were granted trade monopolies on Icelandic products and resources. Iceland was part of the kingdom of Norway, then Norway-Denmark, and then Denmark for a thousand years.

flow trap

(2): Enchant, safebet222

Fredrick A Campbell

(2): Prism, esotericzoomer

esotericzoomer

(1): Spartan117

floo

(1): Fredrick A Campbell

Salsabil Faria

(1): flow trap

Not Voting

(2): Salsabil Faria, floo

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 23, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-01-22 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Enchant]

VOTE: Fredrick

Hey, i won mafiatest, and got -11, while he got -5.

Why you not pushing me, but instead change mind soo easy.

Because people are more content voting fredrick than they are you.

Aren't you supposed to argue with that, not just agree to execute person, who you find as less likely a mafia?

[esotericzoomer]

VOTE: Fredrick

Hey, i won mafiatest, and got -11, while he got -5.

Why you not pushing me, but instead change mind soo easy.

Because people are more content voting fredrick than they are you.

Aren't you supposed to argue with that, not just agree to execute person, who you find as less likely a mafia?

Fredrick is still a scumlean, it matters not to me who I vote as long as they are below the null bracket

[esotericzoomer]

You may be my main scumread but as far as I’ve seen people are far more willing to vote my other scumread in fredrick than they are you. So even though I have a weaker scumread on him I’ll still vote him.

[esotericzoomer]

Also you’re trying to discredit me by making me seem incompetent rather than countering any of the points I brought up in my wall. Only making me more confident in my read here lol

[Enchant]

Also you’re trying to discredit me by making me seem incompetent rather than countering any of the points I brought up in my wall. Only making me more confident in my read here lol

Yes.

[esotericzoomer]

cool scumclaim

[Enchant]

cool scumclaim

Thanks.

[Salsabil Faria]

Responding to some questions.

Just finished reading the thread up to now.

Some players have found my vote switch to flow trap suspicious because I didn't want to attract suspicion (Enchant in 150 comes to mind). If I don't want to be voted out, I don't see why I shouldn't take the effort not to seem overly scummy.

Will post other thoughts soon.

Point is, your vote from

Enchant

to

flow trap

wasn't suspicious but the explanation you gave on post 139 raised suspicion cause towns don't usually bother if they look scummy. But for mafias, they have to blend in, they have to pretend to be towns, that's why 'image-conscious' is not a town thing for sure.

You really think it's like this.

"Hello I'm Mafia I want to blend in!" - floo
"OK Mafia" - Sal

Town doesn't want to seem scummy. There are scummy behaviors that don't benefit town at all like lurking, and there are others that do benefit town if done correctly (aggression as pointed out by Spartan). It was the beginning of the game. Being hyper-aggressive would only seem scummy at the time, no benefit because there was little to no information. So posting scummy would leave me worse off in the first place, and there wouldn't be anything good to make up for that.

Okay, after re-reading all of your posts (which are called ISO here I suppose) open-mindedly, I'm agreeing with you. You may have fewer post counts but those are meaningful (specially: 134, 355, 360 and 439) and I find these as town thought process.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil Faria:

I Vanilla mafia (like this one) is not type i like.

I never heard that scum claim their role

This could come off as a joke but they follow it up with:

Vanilla Mafia i calling is boring setups like "Just townies and maybe doctor/cop/SK".

Oh, understood. It's a newbie game, so setups are limited. Do you play on big setups?

Meaning they treated it very seriously, considering they went from getting the same joke to treating a misunderstanding like this, this badly, is a bizarre jump.

-2

You gave me

-2

on that which was literally not what you thought/was seemed to you!
In post 33, I thought

Enchant

was still joking (refer: post 11), but in post 34 they explained that they meant newbie game which they find boring and in post 35 I said that I understood them and questioned them if they play big games.... which was totally a normal conversation, nothing game related cause this conversation happened on page 2 when there was nothing important to discuss.

[Salsabil Faria]

i would like to ask for towncred